Episode Summary:The comedic duo The Skit Guys (Tommy Woodard and Eddie James) share how they have navigated 30 years of friendship, the ways the enneagram has made them better friends, and how owning your part gets you through the Tunnel of Chaos. Tangents included: Tim’s high school skit audition and a shoutout to an ex named Jill… Practice: Own Your Part
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The comedic duo The Skit Guys (Tommy Woodard and Eddie James) share how they have navigated 30 years of friendship, the ways the enneagram has made them better friends, and how owning your part gets you through the Tunnel of Chaos. Tangents included: Tim’s high school skit audition and a shoutout to an ex named Jill…
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People always talk about going through the tunnel of love, which is like this big, you know, wonderful swan that you get in like, the tunnel of chaos is this goose like a mad goose. You know, that you sit in the seats are, have like splinters in it, you know, you know when you ride it, it's gonna be painful, but you gotta go through the tunnel of chaos to get to the tunnel of love.
Everybody, welcome to the 10,000 minute podcast season two. It's so much easier to say it is than the experiment.
Yeah. I mean, for,
For you, for you
Hi
But no one's asking you to know it's you.
Like George, our producers looking at me like, be different. I don't think, uh, you're misreading it. That guy. All the people, I think he's taking notes.
How many times can Tim offend my language in a day?
You know what? Yeah. I guess that is your language. Yes. Guess what do you mean? Your guess? It's my first language. No, I'm saying Costa Rican. Okay.
I like it.
I like it. I was saying Costa Rica this summer where Yes, we've heard, we've heard about, we've heard. Okay, great. And when you say, Hey, hey man, hey, hey bro. You say, am I m a e? Maybe Ami, that's like, what's up bro? Cool. Okay. So that's Tico. That's Cro. Uh, Costa Ricans are Ticos. Cool. So guys, I've got a lot to teach you this week about Spanish in different cultures. So what's your culture?
I'm Mexican.
Okay. But Larry, I mean, they're, it's like in Costa Rica, cuz I was there this summer. Cause they have seven to nine provinces, Costa Rica. And then province is kinda like states and in different provinces they say different things. Like we say y'all down here in the south, but in California. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Right. No, no, no.
It is not Miami. No, it's Miami. Right? Yeah. No one that's not from
That
Area gets there. So, you know, you know the locals
Guys. So if you're local and whatever town you are,
I'm from Owosso.
Okay. Watch your mouth. Right. Wow. Watch your mouth. I'm
From Houston. You only say it one
Way,
See, that's what I'm saying. In Costa Rica, there are different provinces that say things differently. So as I'm trying to teach you Costa Rican, right? Tegan? Yes. Or not everybody. We got the skit guys this week. And this is really funny. So the skit, guys, if you've not heard of the skit guys you should have and, uh, should have by now, they're just had a movie come out. Huge movie. Well, you you saw it. I
Saw it, yeah.
Then I lived it.
Oh
Yeah. And
You lived it. I did, yeah.
Right, right, right, right. It's a Christian movie. What do you expect? Right.
Um, but it was good. It
Was good. I honestly, yeah. And I'm not the Christian movie
Guy. That's true. That's you were not the
Audience. Uh, I thought it was pretty good. That's awesome. Yeah.
So everybody, uh, this episode is really great. Love these two guys. I've known them for years, so it's fun to have them on the podcast. The skit guys. So it's Tommy Woodward and Eddie James. They were great. And, uh, enjoy. Hey, everybody with the 10,000 Minute podcast. Welcome. Um, to my sweet left. We've got sweet ammo, Donis. That's
Me. Hi.
Uh, then we've got Chris Cleveland
Over here. Hey guys.
Hot. And, and if you're listening on the podcast, you don't know where over here is, but I just pointed with my left arm to the left. We're watching a lot of basketball right now, so I feel like I should be a caller. Ooh, I like commentator. What is it? A color commentator?
It's a color commentator.
Color commentator. Is that a color or a collar? It's
Gonna work out.
Oh man. Longtime listener. First time callers for basketball.
They do. Wow. Look at that Jersey. Look. Costumes. Oh my gosh, this is so great.
So, to my hot, right? Yeah. Hot right. Uh, we've got Tommy Woodard.
Yes.
And we
Got, I'm so glad you didn't say Woodward. There's so many people. Thank guys. Even though it says Woodard. Yeah. People are like Tommy Woodward. Tommy Woodward's. I have a heart house. Tommy Woodward have,
It's
An Oklahoma thing.
I guess it is. It's Woodward. Oklahoma
Is an Oklahoma thing. You're right. That's usually where it happens. So, thank you.
P Hubs thinks that's a
Town dumbest.
There's a down a town called Woodward, Oklahoma.
Yeah. Yeah. So people will say, Tommy Woodward my whole life. When I graduated high school, my counselor do, I knew my name. Thomas Woodward. Oh man.
They say it still to this day. It's so funny. Hey, we got Eddie James and Tommy and Woodward in here. Yeah. It's just so funny. It's like right there. Anyway.
Well, I feel like you were trying to get your name in there, Eddie
James. Plug it in few times I'm
Out. Eddie James.
Hi guys. The dancer. The dancer.
And James is obviously a Texas thing.
It's really not
It's,
It's,
It's more Dutch. More Dutch. But that's
Right. It's okay. Is Dutch?
Yeah, it's Dutch. Yeah. Are you Dutch? I'm not. Well I think there's some heritage Dutch
Rumor.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
James. James.
Yeah. Dutch. Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. Oh yeah. Makes sense. Jamestown with those people. Dutch, Oklahoma. Yeah.
Is perfect. That's what my grandma said. She did all the history. Yeah.
Yeah. Have you done that ancestry thing?
Yeah. Scary. Yeah. I come from Neanderthals traced it all the way back. Wow.
Yeah. I was $35. No, that's
Nice. I know. That's
Exactly right. Oh
Wow.
I have relatives in Tennessee. I knew that. Yeah.
They stole from you. Wow.
Yeah. I'm not doing it just in case I commit a crime.
You
Know? I mean, it's like, I don't think I'm going to, but, but
Just in case.
Case
What I committed a crime. You
Know what I mean? It's true. That's how they caught someone I know. Through the
You know.
Huh? But I love it. No one's offering it to Chris and he's like, I'm not doing it.
Though. That's fine. Oh my goodness. And I told, we had a conversation with my wife and I the other day. I'm like, I'm not doing it. Yeah. Because she wants to do it. So
This is recent. This is like, but
That would be a great podcast. Chris's, Chris's dna. Oh. Ooh. Like, I just wanna throw that out.
It's actually a movie. Done.
Done.
That's pretty good.
Well, we were two weeks late to the land run
Move on. You did the land.
Yeah.
Where
Were we? I don't know where we were. Um, this, these are the skit guys. Everybody.
Yes, they are.
We're guys do skits.
I did not make the skit team in college and I've always been a little sad about that. And it hurt. Did I tell
You? Just tell you about No. It's
One of the only things I've ever
You auditioned for a skit team in college. I did. I did.
It was a skit. T troop.
Timmy. Come on. Ski troop.
I didn't, everybody he can call me Timmy cuz he knew me when I was Timmy.
Tim, Tim. No, it's okay.
Okay. You can, you can do that. Yeah. I tried out for a team at Point Loma Nazarene University, the Point Loma Players. Oh, point
Loma players.
It's so, I was so excited. I was so ready. Cause I'm like, gosh, I love comedy. I mean, I think I enjoy being funny and just being dumb. And it's a
Christian thing.
Surely. Yeah. They should let me in and I can play the guitar.
Were they funny?
Yeah. So the, yeah, they were funny. And they were, I knew these guys and girls and I'm like, oh my gosh, this is a shoe in. How fun is this gonna be?
My college career is set. Right. The moments and the memories right here. Done. M's. Right
Here. Done. So Timmons gets in there, I'm like, Hey everybody, what's go in? I'm doing like all the cool
Stuff. I'm like all the best bits
Every, every time. And they're like, okay, cool. We'll talk to you later. I'm like, we talk every day. Like, what, what do
You think
Roommates, dummy. Oh. And I totally got denied. No.
So
I felt like today we'd talk about just grief again.
Rejection. Rejection that does, yeah. Your
Heart and friends. So how friends hurt Friends
And
Hurt friends. Hurt friends. Yeah.
It's a ripple effect of the friendship.
So anyways, I thought we could do a little skit troop stuff in here.
Like some improv. Just some improv. Let's, when
I say cat, what do you think? Mm.
Tack. See I just reversed it so I'm not doing it. Yeah. Yeah. Now there's another thing. Do you The allergies.
Okay. Yeah. Well, we've, we've nailed this so far. It's good you guys. So you, I mean, we met years ago. Mm. Through a gentleman that we don't love to say his name out loud of Douglas Fields. You
Say it three times. He appears
Um, so you guys just give us a little bit of what you do. So how long have you been doing this? You've been doing the, the skit guys for how many years? Yeah.
So as skit guys for about over 25 years. Wow.
Okay. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.
So a little while. Okay. Been best friends since probably 1987.
Six. Wow. Six. Yeah. So,
Wow. Ski was my best friend in 86. And then I started
Up into six
The eighties. Okay. Where was that? How'd that happen? In
Min, Oklahoma. I stole his
Girlfriend. Yeah.
Nice. I saw it all
Started Jill. Jill Stinking Jill. How'd that work out? Stinking Jill. They were in a musical called Annie. Get Your Gun. Yeah. Oh. And uh, yeah.
Was she Annie?
She was Annie, yes. Jill was Annie. Annie and I would, I played football. Wasn't very good at it, but I would go from the football field to the cafeteria slash auditorium. Uhhuh C Auditorium, right? Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Bill
Cody, didn't you? I did play Buffalo.
Bill Cody. Yeah. In that same play.
Yeah. Well, I did, but then I got kicked out because I was, because I was in the foot on in the football team. I wasn't, again, I wasn't very good. It was more of a codependent thing.
Really, so the football team costumes were cooler.
Hard work.
Yeah. Yeah. But I thought, cuz then if I get to high school, I'm gonna be okay. Cuz the dudes, I'm good with the dudes. Right. Then I could do my own thing. Right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not get beat up. Mm-hmm. So yeah, it was kind of tricky back in Edmond back in the day. So Yeah. You
Had to play the game. So
Anyway, Jill one day walking down the ninth grade hallway to her mother's car. Ooh. We hold hands. We would normally I'd do the swoop in, grab her hand.
No,
You, you all do that. No, no, no.
But in ninth grade she has a good ending.
I still feel tension, right?
Mm-hmm.
Kind. Annoy. I'm a fixer. I'm a fixer. What year is this? Ninth grade. 1985. 85. Yeah.
Who what A year.
What A year. I mean, I know Ghostbusters just came out. We were going to see she wants to talk about Yeah. Yeah. Ghosts. So
But I literally no exaggeration. Cuz that's normally what Minister Sterile Stories do. This is no exaggeration. I said to her, I can't do anything if you don't like him anymore. But please tell me it's not that sophomore that's in the musical
That
Tommy guy. Yeah. That Tommy guy.
Mm-hmm.
Guy.
Yeah. Wow.
Yeah. Yeah. And what, but just divert. Yeah. What, what role did you play in
Oh, in, I played Chief Sitting
Bull. Yeah. Chief City
Bull. I don't think anyone does any UR gun anymore.
Anymore in the real world and in the play.
No, he's not a villa. He's good guy. He's a good guy in the play. Right, right, right.
Happy ending, ending. I'm, I'm still in it. Okay.
Soy on the wrong side. So Moy,
She's on teamed.
She said. I said, please tell him it's not that Tommy guy. Yeah. And Jill said it. Is that Tommy guy? A hundred
Percent. I broke up with her like a week later. Can't beat him. Join them catching release
Again. And then tell me how you're not the villain. Wow. Wow.
Poor Jill. I wonder where she's at now. Yeah. She, Jill, Jill broke up
With her like Yeah. Yeah.
Serious means him.
She, she loved Jesus and figured us both.
No, right. That's, that's fake news. Once Jill was outta the picture, we became best
Friends. We did. We did.
It was Jill. Jill was,
I do know when you were leaving, I helped you clean out your room at some point. Your, be your, like your childhood bedroom. Oh,
This was a great time. Were
You moving? How, how,
How does that relationship start? Huh? How did that relationship start? Like you are just the total douche that comes
In. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then,
And Kim buddies
In this story. Eddie is the devoted boyfriend. Right. Right. In this story, there's more stories. Both, there's
Other stories. Oh my gosh. Yeah.
No. Yeah. I, so you gotta fast forward the tape. Probably about five or six months, you know, and, and then all of a sudden we're, you know. Yeah. We're dudes. We're dudes. We're we're best friends. Best cleaning out each other's room. Yeah. I don't remember. Yeah. I don't know if I was moving our, it wasn't moving. I don't know what it was. But yeah. He was helping me clean up my room. And you
Find a card. A Christmas card. A Christmas card.
Yeah. From Jill.
I had the same Christmas card.
I had the same Christmas card. Jill. Jill, the three of us.
Jill's the real villa. Write the book, make the movie. I mean, I'll do the mean and greet.
That's
Wild guy. It really
Is. I, I still, I can vividly remember going. That's so funny. What, what is this? You were playing. Cause I was like, you need, this is my Christmas. Could you take my card? Yes. Yeah. Chris, that's exact, it was like, what? What Jill just gave us both the same Christmas card. Oh, Jill. Yeah. Wow. Maybe that was the only card at the Dollar General. Right. Maybe that's all she could have. Yeah. It was a stack of 12. Yeah. She's just a
Do you need to say anything right now? If you're gonna look at that camera right now. Do you need to say something to Jill? Like, I, Jill, I feel felt blank when you
This is Jill. This is a care confrontation right
Now.
Yes. Yeah. We don't confront. We care front.
We care front. Um, Jill, whatever that meant. I'm sure there's a logical explanation. I'm gonna give you benefit of the doubt, but it still hurts.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good
Ation.
Yeah.
Good. Thank you. Tommy, do you need to say anything to chill? Yeah.
Hey girl.
We do love that. Most of our podcasts are just dery for a good portion of it. Wow. And at some point tears will come, but just mostly just dery the whole time.
So That's so good. Yeah.
We do love that. That's awesome. The family camp.
Family camp. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Put that in front of Edge again in California. Sure. Them and I love, it's, it's the first faith-based comedy movie. First base families.
Yeah. First faith. First faith-based, family friendly comedy. Yeah. Let's
Go.
When I heard that, I was like,
That's a lot. Didn't. Yeah, it's
A mouthful. It's a lot that you're doing
It lot. Yeah. We are. Yeah. They've been dramas. The ones that have been in theaters have been dramas. Mm-hmm.
Jill,
Well, Jill
Right.
Would've been a typical skit. Hey Joe, you seemed really sad at school today. I
Was very sad at
School today. You need Jesus. Thank you. You know, first bro. Yeah. That was
It. That was it. No matter
What the setting was, no matter what the scenario was, Hey dad, you know, you seem really sad. You're drinking a lot.
I drink a lot.
You just switch it up to whatever the scenario is,
And then this is the end.
Et See, and some of the, you know, and some of the faith-based movies could be the same way in a little ways. Mm-hmm.
Preacher. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's no preaching at the audience. I mean, these are just like, they're funny, but they're real flawed people living out life. Huh. That's cool. That's crazy's encouraging. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Love that. So people go check that out. We've already seen it. Do you guys wanna start in our notes? Oh, cool. We got,
That's
Awesome guys. Yeah.
Please. Let's
Do this. There's times for
For revisions. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. It's not, it's not locked. Right. It's not locked. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. You can pull it from the theaters and put, give 'em another copy. I thought so. Well, we've got a couple cameras.
We we get that in the music world when just dumb humans and friends would go, this isn't like mixed or mastered yet, right.
No, it not. It's not. It can, but it's like going out to radio that day. You
Yeah. Last week. Yeah. And this, it's the question, what did you hear that gave it away? That it wasn't Yes. Your phone.
It wasn't, wasn't out there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
It's changed. Doing the vocals, redoing the vocals.
Okay. So's not even me. We did not see it. I just saw a few of the clips from it. Um, looks awesome. So I'm excited to see it and I trust you guys. Thanks.
We're excited about it.
Yes. I know that you would you well, I hope. And then if it's not, if it is cheesy, I won't say anything to you about it.
Please do. Please, please. Just text. No, just, just emoji. Just cheesy. Yeah, that'd be So you guys,
Cheese filter is really wonderful.
This. Thank you. Thanks. We're excited about it. You really proud of it. Yeah. Good. Like, yeah. It's scary. It's like having a baby Totally. Like, seems healthy. Well, they think it's pretty, you know. Yeah. Yeah.
Mm. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see. And you know, we, I, you know, we, we mentioned Doug Fields and, you know, I think that I do come from the camp of Doug Fields of excellence and all that. That's how I grew up. That's what I, that's what I know. So I, I think there's always that thing in inside, uh, myself and Tommy and what our team and what we do is just to try to go, how do we do this differently? How do we, how do we still stay true to the message? But, uh, we, I I think we've always been that way. Yeah. You know, I, we're really still doing what we did in high school, those two kids in high school. Like, we looked at the skid books in high school and, and really, I don't think there was this articulate, you know, conversation of, well, we don't talk this way. This isn't us. Yeah. Why, why would we do this? How, why would we perform this? But we just pivoted and we just started doing stealing stuff from Saturday Night Live and trying to make it Christian. Right. Yes.
That's
Really hard. Really hard to do. It's really
Hard. Really hard to do Christian.
But that's what we did back in the eighties. Yeah. Was just, let's steal stuff from Saturday Night Live and go to churches for gas money and chicken dinner. Yeah. And this feels right. This feels real. Yeah. And we can, we can convey things as far as scripture's concerned through this, but not through that. Yeah. You know, and God love them. Thank you for, you know, we get to ride their coattails. So I think that's what we're trying to still, still do to this day. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, you
Guys are so
Good. Here's this and here's that.
You're so, so effective with that.
Oh, you're kind, thank you.
Through the years. I mean, when I mentioned your name anywhere, everybody's like, oh, those guys. Yeah. I remember this. And people remember us like specific skits that you've done. So Yeah. Or sketches. Do you prefer to call 'em sketches? Oh gosh, no.
They're skits. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Scenes we had, yeah, we had, we've had conversations with other drama people that are offended that we call them
Skits. Right? Yeah.
We're like a name I start quoting Shakespeare.
Well, once again, Jill, if you're out there, the way that you have called Scenes and Skits. Okay.
Ski crap. Love you Tim. I love you's so great.
So can we quote you Ski guys have a bunch of crap out there.
Yes. You guys, Tim Timmons, Howard. Howard Tims. Yeah. Howard DITs to Tom Thomas
You. So you've
Really laid the groundwork, but you did the groundwork first was really good. Real good segue to grow Manure happens.
I want to, I wanna have an argument with you now just to watch you work those words. That's not what I said. What I meant was
Okay. Okay. Did we waste a lot of time? Oh, we're so sorry. You're
Doing great. I just, we we're talking to people that know stuff. Mm-hmm.
And what you guys do with your skits is you're really putting this stuff into real life, which is so beautiful. But I wanted to get into friendship with you, and I know you have a book on friendship. Great. Um, and just on your friendship, but like, so I wanted to get in that and just into humor. Great. Uh, cuz I think you, you understand both these things and how do, we're just always trying to figure out how do we do these things with Jesus. Mm-hmm.
It's a lot.
Sure. There's a better way. I could ask that.
You know, um, we did, you mentioned our book. We wrote a book called Smells like Bacon. Yep. Mm-hmm.
In there. What does intentional friendship look like? Yeah.
Um,
Because I'm sorry, one more caveat. I don't think we're good at friendship. Yeah. Right, right. Yeah. And that's probably why you're writing this book, but
Nobody, men or
Women are not really
Great even. Yeah. Yeah. I think women are alone. Yeah. I, I think there's a, a loneliness, um, that, that seems to just fetter and breathe. I think social media's done a lot of that. We, we look at pictures and we compare ourselves and we create the own, we create our own story of like, wow, they just seem so happy. And they seemed all together. And it kind of makes us even a little bit more inclusive. Um, I, I do know with Tommy and I, over the years it's been, and I don't know how it's worked. I'm probably more of the confronter. I'm probably more, no, no, no, no. We gotta deal with this stuff. We gotta deal with it. We gotta deal with it. And he would be more the avoider. And then I think, you know, than it flips and it flips and flips.
You know, and the only thing that we, we get to say, the reason why we get to work things out is because we were together this long. Right. So in that relationship, um, there have been things that have come up, like, uh, there would be a mantra left for us, us is we never leave a man behind. So, like, you're never gonna see one of it. Like, I will not leave this room until he leaves this room. Like, I would just not go out and get out and, you know, get in my car. Like, however that works, whether in front of a thousand people or four, whatever, we're gonna go together. Right? Huh. We never talk about each other behind or back. Like, you will never hear a joke being said that isn't, uh, derogatory or anything. Like, we're gonna talk things out. You know, scripture says you don't, you don't stab a person in the back. You stab him in the front. You're gonna talk about hard stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Um,
Yeah. Like, like we will be someplace and somebody will say, Hey, hey, let's do this to Ed when he comes in. You know? And it may be the funniest thing ever, and I may think that would be hilarious, right. But I go, no, because the joke is not worth the friendship, you know, and those jokes that, I mean, if you may have that kind of relationship with somebody, you know, it, it's a value to us for him to never second guess me. And for me to never second guess. Oh, that's good. Wow. You know? So you gotta protect it. We, we have something that we call the, uh, uh, Eddie's so great at this. Uh, I hate it, but it's really helped us a ton. You know, and that's called the tunnel of Chaos. You know, people always talk about going through the tunnel of love, which is like this big, you know, wonderful swan that you get in like, the tunnel of chaos is this goose like a mad goose. You know, that you sit in the seats are, have like splinters in it, you know, you know, when you write it, it's gonna be painful, but you gotta go through the tunnel of chaos to get the tunnel of love. And the tunnel of chaos is when you, you know, we'll look at each other and go, Hey, I'm, I'm, I'm sorry, but I, I gotta go. We gotta go through tunnel
Chaos. Tunnel chaos. We'll say it. Let's go through, we gotta go through the tunnel here. Suck.
What's up? Yeah. Mm-hmm.
What you, I don't want to know.
The goal is to get through the other end. Yeah. Like, it's not, the goal is not to fight. It's not to get your way. It's to, to deal with the chaos and the friendship so that you can get through the other end and go through the tunnel
Of love. You know, you talk about the engram, I'm a three mm-hmm.
You're not. No, you're not. Why, what, what happened where that kind of pulled you back from? Um, I What, what'd you get to that made you kind of wanna pull back a little? Tim?
I think it's like 30 years of just, just Yeah.
You know, I mean, Saddleback to this, to this to like, I think I've always been, because I'm a three. There was something beautiful about just, you're just around all these machines of ministry, right. And I loved it. Like, I could sit here, here, I could sit here and talk to you about product and what Rick did, what Doug did. I could sit like that wave right there. That's my whole life right there of catch another wave, catch another wave, go, go, go product like I could. That's my whole life. And so I'm 51 years old now, and I'm like, oh God. Like that's a lot of dancing. That's a lot of, that's a lot of doing the dance to get a hug. That's a lot of, yeah. Hey, look at me. Aren't I pretty? Which I'm not. Right? So, so you kind of just like, no, no, no.
Like, and, but I think it's beautiful. I love that we do that, but on our movie, because we are all on, on the set for those 25 days because we all know. And, and for sometimes it's like, Hey, let's not do that. Da da da, dah da da da da. And, and for you, you may watch that and go, oh my gosh, that looked horrible. I mm-hmm.
A lot of those seem like practices you had to figure out mm-hmm.
Yeah. I think, you know, I would say I, I can't speak for everybody's friendship or whatever. I think between Eddie and I, like we talk about the Indian room a lot. I think that was a great, that was a great tool for us. Yeah. I, I think we, once we realized who the other person was and who we are, you can take ownership for it and go, oh, that's why like, like we, I'm a nine, so you know, everything.
This isn't my wife and i's relationship 3, 9, 3
And nine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
And, and so, you know, I'll leave here and go, everything I said didn't matter, you know, but at the same hand, we can look back at our relationship and, um, we'd get somewhere, uh, the plane would land and something wouldn't be going right. Mm-hmm.
At this schedule. Look what they did. We're, we're here, we're right before intermission. This sucks. This isn't gonna, yeah. Don't they know, don't they know we can't do this? This isn't the
Excellence. I would've no feelings about it. I would probably go, I'd probably be like, Uhhuh. But what he heard, he didn't hear Uhhuh. He heard, you're right. It is, it stinks. You know? And so, like, as we've learned that about it, he looks back at it, you know, we look back at it and we realize I had no feelings. I didn't know if that was right or wrong. Yeah. I don't, didn't even know what I want. You know, Uhhuh,
Right. So is there a practice I love? That's a great question. And you know, at 10,000 minutes, we're always looking for practices, things we get to join Jesus in mm-hmm.
Oh, I think like at some point, you know, and, and Eddie mentioned Jay Jay's the one who introduced me to the Jays
And gentlemen in the room right now.
And gentlemen, amazing. A lot of the few,
Few of us,
Lot of books you've read in life were
Mostly
His words published by him.
No. Um, but, uh, he introduced me to, you know, Richard Roars discussions on Enneagram, went through all of those, you know, and then we went through all of them. I think that was a big deal. Like learning that, not learning the pop culture Enneagram, you know, that says, look at me, I'm a seven, so I get to do that. You know,
I
Don't do that cuz I'm a four. Right. You're such a
Five. I mean, the whole idea behind the Enneagram is identifying your go-to sin and going, I can't live out of that. You know? And so, like for me as a nine when I feel like the sky is falling, I know, uh, I'm going into six now, I tell myself, the sky's not falling, the relationship's not ending. And I gotta power through. And I realize that if I'm in a healthy place, I'm going into three, I realize my words matter. You know? Mm-hmm.
Beautiful. Yeah. I, I, I
Remember you did not talk to, you said great things. Thanks.
Thank you. Appreciate that
This
Is your year. This is the year of Tommy. I need, you don't get to be the good uncle. And I'm the mean dad,
Every, everybody should read that book.
If you have those many minutes, it, it's toilet reading. It'll take you minutes to read the one minute apology. It'll change your life. It'll change a company's life. It'll change a team's life, because it really does, I'm just blown away how we don't apologize to take the onus and to go, I, and, and not for everything, but to go, I did this. Mm-hmm.
What's the bottom line of that book?
Take ownership. Yeah. Take, take ownership. Don't, again, don't apologize for everything, but take ownership of what you did in this relationship. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Or thi and think about this. Just, I don't want to, uh, or the way we apologize. Well, I'm sorry that you felt that way.
Right,
Right.
That's right. Hey, I'm sorry, but mm-hmm.
I, I have a relative that I will mention their name cause I don't wanna hurt their feelings that they'll never listen to this cuz they're too old too. But Jill Yeah, it's Jill
I walk
Away just feeling like garbage, you know? And they're not apologizing, you know, they're sorry that I'm an idiot, you
Know? Yeah. And that's so, so yeah, totally. Sorry, you're so weak. Yes.
No, that's exactly right. Yeah.
It does cost us thinking about, sorry, Moy. Um, good. You go.
No, I just wanted to say, I, there's beauty obviously in all these practices, but there has to be a point where you realize this person is worth my time and I value them. Right? Yes. A lot of people have a different view of what friendship is, therefore, sometimes they don't have any of it at all because of the way they think they want it, they need it. I'm currently in a situation with a few of my friends who are like, we're never gonna move forward because I think we have different views of friendship. So for you guys, when did you know, no, this person's worth it, and therefore I am going to practice these things with him.
It's great.
We get into these friendships and we get into it with what's in it for me. Right. And a friendship was never meant to be what's in it for me. Like, like, you know. Yeah. David didn't love Jonathan for what's in it for me,
Plot
Quiz. No one loves Jill.
Yeah.
Yeah. I always, if if you look
Jill, you were
Loved
Know mm-hmm.
Which is a beautiful human,
Beautiful human just asking, um, yeah. She'd like, and she's utterly said it whether she realized or not. Oh, that's really sad. Mm-hmm. You know? Mm-hmm.
And it's not a seesaw. It's not a seesaw friendship. And I, and I try to tell that to my daughter, like, love, I don't know if this is a great seesaw friendship here, you know? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It is. It's this. And, but, but, but, but, but, but until they get to the point of like, oh, but I also think she has in the back of her head, I want this. Right. You know, and that just takes tons of time. Right. And a person to, I I, you know, I used to say, I used to with people, I'd go, well, you, you, you, you can't give why you don't have. And I think that's true. I think you're gonna find out a lot of people, they can't give what they don't have, even though you're going, oh my goodness, if you would just do this or if you do this mm-hmm.
You go, you can't give what you do have. But if you're in a relationship and you know, they, they know what moi likes. They know your love language. They know your heartbeat and your soul. They're gonna go, yep, it's not me, but I'm here. We go Mo, cuz I, I'm, I'm gonna do this seesaw with you. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
And it, it seems like because of so many tunnels of chaos, is that correct? Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Yeah. That, that's a, I know it's out of a business book, but we even say that with one another. Hey, can we put the crap out on the table? I mean, think about in the business meeting, if you put a pile of crap on the table Yeah. It's nasty, it's ugly, it's smelly, but you're gonna dissect it because you care about each other so much to walk through this stuff. Mm-hmm.
The crap. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
But it's awesome that, that's part of your story. Like, I think many dream up their marriages and their relationships with their kids and not many, many dream up their communities and like what friendship could look like in their lives and so doesn't have the same value as all these other things. And so you find a lot of women and men waiting to be married cuz they don't have anything else in life when there's people around they could truly participate in life with and find something as rich as this. Yes. And commit to something as rich as this. And so it's not a waiting period. Right. But it's how do, how do we help ourselves and others rethink the value of friendship. Mm-hmm. So we can practice enduring the tunnel of chaos and, and things like
That. And you have to say yes. Like we even talk about that in our book. Like, um, you gotta say yes to coffee dates, you gotta say yes to. Yeah. I'll, I'll go to the movies with you. I'll, I don't really know who I'll, I'll, I'll go, I'll go eat a dinner with you. Like you gotta say yes and, and you, and even in the back of your head, you gotta go, this may not, this may or may not. Here we go. Yeah. Right. Expectations gonna have none. Right. Here we go. And through the saying yes is when you find the beauty But there, there may be some Yeah. Ones that don't work out as well too.
It's, so, it takes two people. I mean, like, gosh. I mean, if, if we want to throw the best cliche of the day, I think I just nailed it. Like, switch. It
Takes two baby, it takes two baby
Awesome. Uh, but it, it really, I mean, just in all these things, if you've got two people who are willing to say, okay, we're gonna, now, you know, I think of my, my, my father-in-law who is a biologist mm-hmm.
Fantastic.
It has a terrible such of humor. A smoker. Yes.
Yes.
So, I mean, literally he will like, get a little stick and like, go through and see the pellets and they're like, well, this scat was because, you know, a cat, whatever. And, but it's, it's really two people who are willing to say, okay, yeah. So let's do this. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, I love the idea of the, um, friends of years ago of, of like putting a glass box in between you two, and you're almost just putting this, it's almost, you know, putting the scat in a glass box and going, Hey, let's just look, let's just observe it for a second and not take it in as like feelings or emotions, but just kind of, just give it space. Just observe and go, huh. Yeah. I can see how that was probably from last night's dinner. I can see where that's from versus taking it internally. Yes. So when has it gone bad with you two? And what was, can you think of any recent moments,
Confrontation.
That was actually what your whole team said. Hey, guys, talk about most recent
When steroids are involved. Yes. That's when it's
Not good.
Yeah. When I'm on steroids for something, it's really good. He's crazy
Eddie anymore.
You're Teddy. There's like,
Yeah, I'm Teddy, Teddy. There's like that 6, 5, 4 3
Terrible. You know what I'm talking about?
Oh. Like, yeah. Like, I would tell, like, Hey, I'm on steroids, y'all just need to leave me alone. Yeah. And I won't mean to do it, but I was
Like,
All this stuff, like,
This is Sparta,
Huh? Yeah. Um, yeah. Yeah. There's been a couple of those where I couldn't help, I couldn't help myself,
Just couldn't help myself. Chris knows it's a drones man. Chris is the same way. You know, you're like, I know that I can't be around people right now. Like,
That's, I, yeah, but that's a self-awareness thing. Yeah. Like, and it's taken a while. Yeah. But I'm like, ha, I'm gonna be a
Jerk. Yeah. I'm gonna,
I'm gonna hurt you. Yeah. Yeah.
And I need to, I need to walk away
Yeah. Oh yeah. That was like, so good. Where were we the other day? We're on a run, and, and I was, I was like, Hey. Oh yeah. I'm actually like, I, I'm thinking I'm mad right now, and we need to go do something, you know? But I said that out loud. Yeah,
That's good. That's beautiful. That's good. That's huge. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
This. Hey man, who watch this as the nine. I'm, so, should we go zoom in on the lens? Zoom in on the lens. I
Can't remember what it was. And this may have been goodness gracious, eight years ago. I don't even know mm-hmm.
That really hit him. That really? Yeah. That's, that was good. Hurt. People hurt
Saddlebacks. Um, I don't know what it was, but I do remember in the moment I felt paranoid, insecure, mad, angry. And I felt like, and, and, you know, like, I, like, I think the biggest part of me was, if I feel left alone, I'm gonna, I'm gonna just, I'm mad. Like if I feel left alone and I'm not getting backed up, like I get mad, right? Mm-hmm.
That's the other good thing about our friendship. I have no memory yet.
I, I decimated him in a letter. And like, I'm in, I'm at least in my forties or my late thirties, like, I'm,
Oh, do you remember that? Yeah. Yeah. I
Remember. Yeah. And, and I remember,
I remember seeing you and you were crying, and like, and like, for me, I was like, oh my gosh, I am so dumb. I am so stupid. Why did, where did my brain even contrive any of those thoughts? That this is reality? And I wrote 'em down. Like I had rehearsed it so much in my head. I had played it out. Yeah. This was reality. And then I saw his hurt, and I could go, oh gosh, I was so far off. Yeah. I was off, I was off, off, off. I was on some little dirt trail that had no truth to it whatsoever. Mm-hmm.
But I, I, but when I hear him say that, he said that earlier, and it really bok for whatever that was, if it's a Holy Spirit moment or whatever. But I do remember that I've never done it since, because I just, there was just something inside me going, no, I should never do that to anybody. Wow. No one deserves that much decimation to their, to who they are. Mm-hmm. There's nothing inside me that warrants that. And so I was really blown away that he, uh, like, or our friendship wouldn't have been fractured or fissured, or it would've been less than, or we're just gonna kind of limp along now and do our skits and mm-hmm.
Yeah. I think, and, and that's very kind of you to bring that up. I, I totally forgot about it, but now I'm can hold it against you,
Hey,
Jill, but I
That's what he was just saying about coming up with his own, going down a whole path. Like literally going on a whole path in Yosemite. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. That was not even truth at all. Anger.
Anger allows you to write the end of the chapter. Anger. Anger. You know, they say whenever you get angry, it's the, the endorphins that releases as just like watching porn. So it's, it's a hit. And if you like anger, you're gonna like that. Like, so for me, anger, anger controlled things, anger made me powerful. There was, there was, there was force, there was weight, whether you believed it or not. Like, uh, let's stay away from that. You know, you're gonna, you're gonna kind of go under it, right? Um, anger allows you to write the end of the chapter. And most of the times that chapter should never been written. And it was wrong. Um, and, and, but if for some reason you were right. What, what happens? It's not like you feel peace, positive reinforcement. Your anger is like, aha. I told you, I told you. They were like that. I told you, I told you, I told you. So it's just this, this negative loop that you just stay in. Yeah. Anyway, it's right at the end of the chapter.
We, we used to, when we would travel, when he was struggling with anger, like, I'm up, I guess I'm an optimist, you know,
I call him Ronald Reagan a lots. Okay. Ronald Reagan. Okay. Ronald. I'd be like, I bet it's gonna be fine. I, Ronald just be like,
Okay, Reagan. You know,
You know, and I like,
I shouldn't, I shouldn't be positive.
I dunno what you do.
Anyway. Well, this is the best marriage podcast we've had so far.
Real, this sounds like a book plug, so please forgive me that the book we wrote, it's a great marriage book. Yeah. Just nobody's looking for a marriage book from two, you know, but
It really is. But it really, yeah, it really is. I mean, yeah, it's every, like, there are things in us that if I see with me and my wife, I go, well, I don't do that. As stupid as I don't do that with Tommy, why are we doing this? Right? I know this is, I know this is what works. Why are we not even going there? Why are we not so, you know, but yeah, these things that we've talked about are so good, is how we live life. Mm. Yeah. And do life.
So is the way out of the path of non-truth imagining of a story, you know, like you're going down this path going, oh, I, I think he's thinking all these things and he's feeling all these things. Is the way out of that to do what you said, which is to assume good motives.
Oh, I, I think it's both assuming good motives and asking questions. Mm-hmm. You know, I mean, I mean, we will, there's occasional little times that either one of us will go, Hey, I gotta ask you a paranoid question, you
Know, a paranoid question. Yeah. That's a great, yeah. That's actually, can I ask you a paranoid question? And it just goes, I'm Yeah, sure. About this. Yeah, that's right. I hope I'm wrong. Yeah. I've written the end of the chapters on some things, so, good. Good. Can I just, good. Can I ask you a paranoid question? Yeah. Yeah. How percent, right? Yeah. Mm.
Yeah. That's huge. You know? Mm-hmm.
Yeah. And then you gotta talk about it. Right. Right.
Are there that you guys disagree with in this whole, the past two years that you go Oh, yeah. Like some legit, some political things, some theological things, or the things that you guys really actually don't see eye to eye on? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. We're, we're not on the same page on a lot of things, you know mm-hmm.
So how do, how have you gotten through that? Or, or what's a good practice?
Sometimes good and sometimes
Bad.
Yeah. You know, we've probably ribbed each other on some of them more than we should have. Yeah. You know, and other times I think we both realize that it doesn't matter. Yeah. You know? Yeah.
I've learned to keep my mouth shut more, which is hard for me because then I think, well, the justice in me is like, well, I'm not speaking truth. I'm not dealing with things. Right. We're not, we're not getting to the bottom of things. We're not putting the crap on the table. But I also go, uh, is, is this really something I need to, is this what, what is this within me that really wants to uhhuh
Yeah. I think we should all be resisting the tribalism that's overtaking our world right now. Mm-hmm.
Who's discipling you into that? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. That's exactly right.
Um, guys, there's some really good stuff there. Yeah. We're gonna, we're gonna keep a little bit of it.
It's not you, the budget, it's not you. Do we have a budget best,
So no,
Thanks for letting us talk a little bit.
Yeah. It was awesome. Yeah. We wanna do things that are helpful,
Encourages our friendship. Mm.
I think everybody also knows you guys are funny mm-hmm.
Thank
You. Speaking of reality. And ask hats. I'm wearing my ASME hat. You are, because I think it's a really funny bit. You know what I mean?
That's, that was his audition. But hat Yeah.
It's your
Ass cat. I am the as cat of the, of the room. So ask me. I'm a volunteer hat. Yeah,
It's good. Isn't
That a great band?
I hilarious.
Nobody else thinks its funny. Oh
My gosh, it really is.
So a friend made me this. Ask me hat, I'm a volunteer.
It's fantastic.
May have gotten you into Po Lo players.
Oh no.
That's
Maybe what got 'em out it exactly.
Audition right there. That would be aud.
Okay. You guys picture yourselves. You got a red hat. It says ask me on it. You're a volunteer. Okay. We're gonna do, uh, just quick round questions. Great. Okay. And this is for both you Yahoos. Um, I did text Fields and Josh Griffin just to gimme stupid things, but they didn't really help that much.
Do I talk about that
I just me.
Okay. I'll go quick. So 22 years old. Yeah. And gave my testimony in church. Yeah. This was when Saddleback moved over to the, the land. When we had the land. Um, I I was engaged once. Yeah. And it ended. And so I'm talking about
Not
Jill. Not Jill. No. Uh, so I was talking about the hurt and the da da da da da. And, and when I mentioned her, the, the sound system went, and so you and everyone jumped and I did. And ad lib. And I said, is she in the room, Anna?
Everyone laughs
Everyone
Laughs.
Gone. And so, so Doug Fields, who's, you know, every time Rick didn't want to preach, Doug's Doug's up to bat, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you, Doug's, Doug's amazing, right? Yeah. Doug's funny. All, all of it. So I'm in the back of the tent with Rick and Doug's right there. And this is like 1992, he says, oh, and Rick says, I don't know if I should say this. You can cut it out. Anyway,
Says, oh my goodness, that was so great. What you just did there with that ad lib. That was amazing. There's only three people in the world that can do that. Me, you and Johnny Carson
I'm 22 years old going,
I guess so. Yeah. Never thought about. Oh my gosh. What club? Yeah. Doug, can you get me some coffee? Doug Cream. Two sugars. Two sugars. Thanks, Mr. Fields. All right. We may or may keep that, but may keep that
Peeves. Um, for me, yes. I, I'm not a per indirect messages hate em. Indirect, indirect. Passive gratin. Yeah. Okay. Indirect messages. Just tell me mm-hmm.
Don't make me try to fig Don't make it. Don't make me make it my idea. Just talk to me. Yeah. Feel so disrespectful.
You wouldn't like Nashville
Uh, disrespect, disrespect, disrespect,
Disrespect. Can't handle it. Like, there's just no need for it. If somebody is disre disrespectful. Yeah. You know, I mean, we're all on the same level. We're in the same level. There's no benefit. I don't, there's just, yeah. There's no reason for that. Okay. Wow. I direct messages. I hate direct message.
Both speed around. No, this is a speed round,
Huh? Um, I still, to this day, I love, and it, and it's probably in so many things that I do. Uh, planes, trains, and I own bills. Like, saw it by myself when I was a teenager. Um, paid the ticket. Didn't know what I was getting into, but yeah. That was like a beautiful, because it was two comedy heroes of mine. Yeah. And then they do these dips, and you're like, and that was, that was acting. Yes. That was amazing. Yes. John Hughes, genius. Genius. Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Little known movie called Don Verdine Don that movie So much. I try to get people to watch it all the time and nobody will
Watch it. Sam Rockwell's in it, right? Yes,
It is.
Check it out. I love him. Yes. Good. Okay.
Don Verde is so funny. Okay. Yeah.
But some of those 10,000 minutes. Yeah. Yeah.
He's a biblical archeologist. Who? It's just so funny.
Good. That's how I am with Waiting for Guffman. Nobody ever, everybody's like so good. Uh, what
I'm like,
Is you him? That is what my favorite movie of all time. You're gonna a Love.
Okay. Don, it's so funny,
My wife and daughters watch waiting for Guffman maybe every other week. Yes. Uh, my 18 and 16 year old and my wife.
Yeah. We can, we get their numbers at some point.
I watch Party. They
Would watch Waiting Go for Guffman, or talk about waiting for Goman. Let's, they they could quote the whole thing. Yes, please.
Let's do that. On the tour of us the other night, we're talking about movies. I'm like, waiting for Goman. I'm just like, you're an idiot. Whoever. What? Waiting. Who do
You like? A mighty total creep. You like a mighty win. I
Do. Yeah. I love, I love all of them. I just, so
Goodman.
Yeah. Uh, bucket list. Go. Oh,
Golly. Um, I don't know,
My life is like, sit on the back porch with my dogs. Like, and I'm like, so, you know, for real, this is, we have a movie. That was the greatest dream of my life. I, I've, I I, I told Eddie the other day, we don't get to ask God for anything else. Like, like, like we
Got a soundtrack, like on Spotify and Apple, you know, and Amazon. Like, oh, we have a soundtrack. I, I guess, I guess we're done. There's,
There's, I mean, Tim and I aren't on that soundtrack. No big deal. Yeah.
Rh. Who? It's fun Red.
That's great. It's
Fun. Walker.
I will say a bucket list. I know it has to do with work, but it, um, but it, it's, it's like, I would love it if this movie does well and bucket list is we're over the next decade and a half. We're, we're churning out really good things. Hmm. Yeah. You know, it'd be cool. Yeah. That would be, that would be great.
Yeah. The truth is, okay guys, this kid, guys because of Eddie James, like, it takes both of us. And it's teamwork. And I am not downplaying me. Yeah. But he is driven
Driver. Yeah.
He has dreams. We would, we would, we would, year after year, he would, he would say, well, what do you wanna do this year? And I'm like,
Are you okay
With that? No, that sounds good. Let's do that. You know, uh, nineties. The nineties, the nineties. Yep. What a horrible decade.
Are we talking about pop culture? Or what are the nineties? What,
What just came to your mind? Darth Brooks. Thank you. He
And I gotta go to Saddleback. Yeah. And so when I think of the nineties, 89 to 97, that was life changing for me. Mm-hmm. Because I did meet Doug. Great decade, Doug. You know, if you think about Mark chapter two, you know, the friends put the guy in the mat to Jesus. Okay. And then it was youth workers and then it was people like that. You know, the friend that put the guy on the mat to Jesus said, we got an idea. Even though the house is full, we got an idea. We're gonna throw you up on the roof. We're gonna get you, we're gonna get you there. Right. And then, so then you have people in your life, each one of us in our lives that threw us on a mat and said, I've got an idea about you. I've got an idea about you.
Mm-hmm.
Swish. You said Garth
Brooks, man,
Real? I was a youth pastor in the nineties at a small church in Texas, and some of the greatest ministry of my life took place during that time. Mm-hmm.
Were the nineties into the nineties we started like, yeah, Rick Warren would have me do a skit and it was usually call on a Thursday night and it was, Hey, hey, I want you to do a skit over point number two. So Thursday night I would get a skit and then I would assemble a team together on Saturday morning, cuz at four 30 we're up and you'd have six services. Yeah. And it was like a comedy club in front. I remember. Yeah. One of these people. And we'd go and we'd do the same thing Tommy and I did in high school. We'd get off stage. Okay. Take out that line. You said this, I said this, you say this, I say this, but take out, take out that, that, that and that. Okay. I would have the wherewithal cuz I would see product. Yeah. I didn't, I wasn't a guy that could do product.
Yeah. But I would give a cassette tape to the sound booth. I still have all those cassette tapes with all these skits on him. Mm-hmm.
Well, um, we actually, it's so interesting cause we got a flyer saying, Hey, can they be on your podcast
Probably,
I don't wanna That was nineties. This that is probably true. 2 22 this movie. That is
Probably true. That's probably true. That's probably true. We've put
Out flyers for the movie, movie
Duh. Sweet.
Jill. See Jill. Hi Jill.
This skit guys, they've been friends f basically forever. Yeah,
Yeah, yeah. Which is beautiful. The they're still going. Yes. Number one,
The, I mean, commitment. They're committed to each other. Mm-hmm.
Yeah, yeah. Intentional friendship. Yeah.
And that's,
It's almost became like a marriage, uh, you know,
Yeah. I was, I was ct,
Not actual CT from season one. Yeah. But, uh, um, man, I was just soaking it in because one, I, I don't have a friend that's like a lifelong friend my wife does. And I'm a little jealous of it. Um, but, um, I think it's incredible to be able to stay in that commitment like they've done
Mm-hmm.
He said. It could end a chapter. Yes. That's like, that's so powerful. It could end something that maybe didn't need to end, didn't need to finish that way. I thought that was really good.
Whew. And there's so much that can end chapters. I mean, we could just go into that mm-hmm.
How many chapters I should say didn't need to be ended mm-hmm.
Maybe there are times also, I guess there are actually times when seasons are okay to be ended. Mm-hmm.
And I think it's about, um, you know, he talks about taking ownership Yes. Of your flaws and your things. Yes. But I think it's about valuing what you have with people over winning a fight, over being Right. Over whatever it might be. I think there's like a very vulnerable moment in, in the episode where he is talking, um, to Tommy about that letter he wrote. Yes. Oh wow. And Tommy's like, oh, I remember that time. He doesn't dig into it. He lets him just kind of almost re apologize for it. Right. Yeah. So there, there's this, there's this rethinking of I'm committed to you so much more than I'm committed to. Never looking bad or Yeah. Being right. Yeah. Being the better friend or whatever that might be. And that translates into any kind of, you know, relationship you might have with people, your family, your communities. But it's about, we're doing this for us. It's a US mentality so much more than, um, I'm trying to save my image or do the right thing.
Yeah. It's interesting, I just thought about this, but it reminded me because after the podcast was over, well we sat out here and talked for like, I don't know, an hour Yeah. Or something. And it made me think of like the Manisa podcast. So like they've developed this thing within themselves to lean into relationships. Mm-hmm.
They've practiced that, they've
Practiced a lot. Practices so much that it's become natural to do with other people.
So good. Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Come below, uh, check us out on social media. Sometimes we have lives on Fridays. Yeah. You can come through and let us know how these practices are going or what you're learning.
Yes. Or questions that you have about this, or other topics that you think that are kinda related to this. Mm-hmm.
Have to always bothering me.
Poking? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What does that mean? It's like waving high, but it's poking. Stop. It's hurtful. Okay. Own your part. Own
Your, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Own your part. That's not, don't
Poke me. Yeah. Own your poke. You know what I'm saying? Okay.
Okay. Now I, I crossed the line. You did. Okay. These where we cut it. I'm so honest.
I I just learned something. He can't do it when he is laughing.
It. Well, which one
Poking. You want me to do the cricket thing? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. See you guys.