Formerly incarcerated couple, Fox and Rob Rich (academy award-nominated documentary “Time”) share the incredible story of how desperation affected 21 years of their lives, what faith looked like in and out of prison, and how even in our biggest struggles, God is still with us. Practice: Practice breathing this all day in the midst of struggle: Breathe In: In My Struggle, Breathe Out: God You’re Still Here
Episode Summary:
Formerly incarcerated couple, Fox and Rob Rich (academy award-nominated documentary “Time”) share the incredible story of how desperation affected 21 years of their lives, what faith looked like in and out of prison, and how even in our biggest struggles, God is still with us.
Practice: Practice breathing this all day in the midst of struggle:
Breathe In: In My Struggle,
Breathe Out: God You’re Still Here
If you’ve found this or another practice helpful, let us know at mail@10000minutes.com and we might include your story in a future episode!
Show Notes:
Rich Family Ministries: richfamilyministries.org
Time: The Untold Story: https://foxandrob.com
Time Documentary: https://foxandrob.com/film/
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We ended up facing 297 years in prison each. And, um, and when you are faced with that much trouble, you get a real clear understanding of about what it means to be still and have to trust God because you have no other options. You have no other way out. Um, and, and you don't know the way. Um, and sometimes I think that that is where we really get to bear witness to who God really is, is when we have no other options.
Welcome to 10,000 Minutes podcast. I wanted to try it. Try it. I can do it a little better.
Okay. Go for it.
Now I'm shy. The next one. Come on. Name me the next one. Come on. Hi everybody. Welcome to the 10,000 Minutes podcast. My name is Moy. And to my hot left. Ooh, if you are a regular, you know what that means? We
Have, I don't know what that means. This is awkward. Tim is, yeah. What's up Tim? Hour?
Tim, what's up? What's up? What's up? And then over the bridge we have Chris
Over the way. Hey guys.
Also known as Sea Train. So Sea Train. See where I put the bridge in? Yes. But anyways, take it away. Tim.
Responsibility. No, that was,
It's a lot. Took 65 episodes to get to this spot.
It made me feel uncomfortable. I'm never doing it again.
Please do that again. That was so good. Chris. You're next. Next week.
Cool. Great. Perfect.
Uh, hey everybody. Welcome. Mm-hmm.
It's on Amazon. Amazon Prime. They have documentary called Time.
Time. Yes. And my family just watched it and it was wild. Mm-hmm.
We did. I I mean, it's an incredible story of kind of they're hardships, a mistake they made, and then how they like lived through it. The injustices in the system. Yeah. Their love and like, commitment to each other, how they raise kids through all of it. Yeah. Um, pretty incredible. Yes.
Yes. And more, Kip I mean, it really is a love story. It's
A love story. Yeah. And we say God is love all the time, but there are few moments I think where we're really witnessing it like love really did, um, carry both of them through. And if that doesn't restore hope Yeah. I mean, I don't know what does. Yeah. And a sucker for love story. So
Yeah. I'm, yes. There's just so much in there, like endurance and patience. Mm-hmm.
So, uh, this is gonna be really great. Are there things in here that I'm sure, um, we'll agree and disagree with? I mean, if you look at their story and how it all works and what do we agree with, with how the incarceration system works and doesn't work? Right. I dunno if we'll get into that or not, but, um, it's just worth listening to and trying to figure out how do we learn more about love and God in the midst of all this stuff. Mm-hmm.
Both
Let, let's, let's dive into this. Um, and here we go.
Hey everyone, this is Moy just letting you know that we did not have interview footage with Fox and Rob because we actually caught them in the middle of their travels. And so the interview happened at an airport on a cell phone. But we do appreciate your flexibility and for sticking around to listen to this amazing conversation with Fox and Rob.
So you guys, we've got Fox and Rob on the, the podcast.
Excited
Guys. You are, you're in DC right now in the airport.
Yes.
Because why not? That's a perfect place to be for
Sure.
Yeah. And
Please forgive us, but we, were not gonna miss this Five games.
I love us. You're doing great. I mean, you just jumped off the airplane
Right? We
Called ourselves trying to get into a corner where they didn't have very many people. Oh
My gosh. I'm just, I'm excited. So when you talked about some of the things, I'm just, you know, you're always, we're always in airports and kinda listening to other people's conversations.
So
This is awesome. Will you guys welcome, thankful that you guys would jump and do this with us. So we are just curious about your story. So the 10,000 minutes, the whole idea of this podcast and what we do and why we do what we do is we're trying to figure out how do we join Jesus in the 10,000 minutes of our week. So there're 10,080 minutes in a week. You just got smarter
Amazing. Yes. Amazing.
Uh, I, we watched it with my whole family. I know you did it too with your family. And so thank you for just being a part of that. And it was just profound and wild. Mm-hmm.
You.
Yeah. I mean, that's, that's, yeah. It's so fun to like, see these
Humans in front of us. Cause it's like
Can you guys just wrote a book, obviously, uh, and the book is actually called Time, the Untold Story of the Love that Held us together when in Incar Incarceration Kept us apart. Um, and that just came out, or it's coming out right? Yes,
Yes.
Yes. February
Of the seventh. Okay. So this will, this will be after that. So everybody go check out that book mm-hmm.
Ooh. Is this such a thing? Nope, there's not, there's not
You go.
All right. All right. Well, for those of us who are listening on end for the first time and just becoming, uh, familiar with, uh, Fox and I, uh, collectively we are known as Fox and Rob. Uh, we are a formerly incarcerated couple who spent more than 21 years, uh, behind bars, uh, before receiving clemency in 2018. Uh, but our history, uh, actually takes us all the way back to 1990, uh, 1987, uh, where Fox and I, um, uh, were high school sweethearts. Mm-hmm.
Come on. Come on.
Properties coming. I just, all I heard was Pleasure Island. I'm like, that makes sense. I'm seeing that movie.
Right. So we, uh, spent the, uh, the rest of that evening, uh, as I mentioned at, uh, pleasure Island, uh, where we bungee jumped in order to, uh, consummate our marriage. Oh my God. Got the documented footage of it.
That, too, but you can't. That
Is right, right. You guys, I'm, I'm thinking about schedule a trip to Pleasure Island right now with my wife,
Saw one of those t t-shirts, by the way, in, in the movie, and I'm like, I want one of those
And if nothing else, uh, bad could have happened in the moment. Uh, our third oldest son, uh, took ill, uh, with an undiagnosed, uh, ailment. And, uh, it's in us spiraling. Uh, and when most people are in, um, times of desperation, they do desperate things. Uh, in our efforts to regain financial solvency, uh, we attempted to, uh, rob a bank and found out that that was, uh, actually not the right thing to do. Uh, everything again, that could have went wrong, went wrong. Uh, the robbery was botched. Uh, we were arrested, tried and convicted, and ultimately sentenced, uh, to 60 years, 45 years and seven, seven and five years respectively. Between myself, uh, our, um, co-defendant, Ontario Smith, and, uh, Fox, of course. And we spent the next 21 years and four days of our lives from that day in September 16th, 1997, uh, fighting to reunite our families.
Wow. Okay. Well, this has been great to have you guys on here. This
Has been, that's a mic drop on me, right,
Totally. Back to the Barry White comment,
Questions for me, if, if I may start. For me, it was about when you are at your lowest moment. Um, I, I've heard people say that the good thing about being at the lowest point that you can be in life is that there's nowhere else to go but up. Mm-hmm. And so when you hit rock bottom, it is a real revelation about what it means to trust God and get to know God. Um, when you know that, um, Rob and I, when we entered into the criminal justice system, um, we both were college educated and we thought that everything that no matter what you had done, that whatever time you got in the criminal justice system, you got what you deserved. Right. We thought that the justice system was just, and it was not until we were directly impacted that we said, uhoh, oh, this is what this looks like,
Oh, you mean, it's not just over here. Uh, and so for us, it was about when you are facing, cuz we ended up facing 297 years in prison each. And, um, and when you are faced with that much trouble, you get a real clear understanding of about what it means to be still and have to trust God because you have no other options. You have no other way out. Um, and, and you don't know the way. Um, and sometimes I think that that is where we really get to bear witness to who God really is, is when we have no other options. And, um, for me, that was when I was on suicide watch. Hmm. Having been arrested and, um, being pregnant and the, um, warden telling the jailer to put me on solitary confinement because he thought I was gonna try and take my own life because we were in so much trouble.
And so it was a moment of me really having to decide whether I was better off alive or dead. Right. Um, and in that moment is when I talk about in the book time, um, the untold story is that in that moment is when I heard, um, my, my own heartbeat. And, and in hearing my own heartbeat, I came to understand that I'm not the reason why I'm here. That there is a power that is operating that is bigger than me, and that is sustaining my life force. So if I'm still here, it's for a reason and I'm gonna see this through and see what God has for me. On the other side, I'm not giving up on my life because God is not giving up on me. And as funny as it would end up being, they say God has an, a funny sense of humor.
A couple of weeks later, I go to my first OB g Yn appointment through the jail and through the jail system. And I am at, in the prison ward of the hospital, the ob g y n doctor comes in, gives me my first ultrasound, and what happens, handcuffs and shackles, an arm guard outside an arm guard on the side of me, the doctor moves over my shackles to put the, the sonogram on my tummy and two heads pop up. Oh my gosh. Oh, wow. So here I am, my face in 297 years, and I knew I was pregnant, but Lord, him mercy, I didn't even know having twins was possible for me. Right. So all I could do was break out in this loud cry and laughter at saying, God, that was the proof that I needed that, um, that if you can give me something so special, so amazing at the lowest point of my life, then I know that it's a sign for me that you got me. And, and that we are gonna get through this.
Wow. Wow. And, um, I guess for me it was much of, uh, much of the same. And, um, I mean, when you step foot in, um, what is what is known as, uh, one of America's, uh, bloodiest pen, uh, penitentiaries, and that being, uh, Angola state penitentiary talking about 18,000 sprawling acres with more than 6,000 men that are there, and 80% of them are serving natural life sentences. And the other 25 per, uh, 20% of them are serving on average 80 years worth of practical life, uh, inside of, uh, inside of prison walls. Uh, the place is surrounded by three quarters of, uh, the Mississippi River, and there is a 21, uh, mile whiny road that gets down into this space. And boy, when I tell you that you would have to pump daylight into this place, uh, was really, uh, no stretch of the imagination.
Yeah. And it is one of those moments that like Jesus on the crossbo, it'll make you say, God, if you could pass this bitter cup. Right. Believe me, you, uh, Tim
Yeah.
Greatest of, uh, of, of, uh, of miracles. Um, and with that being said, it, uh, it led me to a, um, a course that I took, uh, as a prerequisite to, uh, my seminary studies. And it was a course called Experiencing God. And the, uh, main objective with, uh, experiencing God was about finding where you could identify that God was working and join him in his work. And it was there that I realized that. But those desolate souls that were inside of Ola, you're talking about men that had, uh, you know, no hope whatsoever. I'm talking about when you look into the eyes of men and you see that there's nothing there, uh, it makes you realize that, man, either I'm gonna join you there. Yeah. I need to figure out a way to, to inspire, motivate, and bring something back into those eyes, man.
Because, uh, again, like I said, that's a scary place to be. Um, so it was there that, uh, that my ministry started even inside of, uh, inside of Prison Walls through the, uh, thank God for the, uh, new Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary who had an extension center, uh, in Ang. And they were offering, uh, two year and four year degrees, uh, for men willing to study, uh, in pastoral ministry and, uh, Christian counseling. Uh, so I was able to get my degree there and much of what I learned through the program helped me navigate, uh, you know, the vows of prison.
Wow. So in, in the beginning. I mean, that's, that's 20 years and change 21 years. That's right. That's what I said. 24 days, one years and change
You actually said. Some amount of years in four days, you's 21 years in four days. It's no joke every single day. I, I have a, I have a, I have a, a nephew who's in prison right now, and I just gotta spend some time at San Quentin, um, a month ago. And I just, just, these guys, they're just such beautiful humans. But that 21 years in change, there's a lot of time in there. A lot of questions. That's, that's right. A lot of struggling in those moments. Mm-hmm.
I started the, uh, courses early on and then, you know, you have this, uh, kind of way of, uh, that I think that when we are, uh, infants, uh, in our studies of, uh, you know, of the miracles of God, I think that we have this thing that we hopeful, uh, that it's more of like a rewarding kind of punishment type of situation. Right. So we do good, and then we hope that God does, uh, will do good in return. Uh, then I got to, uh, my first, um, probably about the first year and a half in when, uh, the, uh, when the Louisiana Supreme Court, um, uh, denied my, uh, my writ and hence making my, uh, conviction finals. And I was like, oh God, you know, uh, where are you
And it's that moment, I guess, where you only see one set of footprints in the sand. Yeah. And then you're walking along the way and you're like, thinking that these are actually your footprints. And, you know, you can kinda, uh, what I call, uh, as an acronym, uh, your ego steps in, and it's when you ease God out, and in the moments that you ease God out, you have a tendency to wanna do everything, uh, even, you know, curse God, you know, and be like, man, what the hell are you? I'm, I'm suffering here. I'm dying here. Uh, I need some, uh, I need to be resuscitated
And, uh, as a result of it, he just was not, um, prepared to, uh, to address, uh, the concerns that were before the court. And hence, uh, I found out that, uh, I was totally barred, uh, time barred from, uh, from federal, uh, review at that point. So it was, again, at that moment I'm like, okay, God, where are you? Are you not here? Right. Am I here all alone? Right. And, you know, this thing went on for, I'm talking about many years, many, many years. I'm talking about denial after denial, after denial. And, um, like I said, it, it, it really takes you in those moments, the way you gerd up. And you have to, you know, you're like, uh, you're like, job in that moment, man, you, you are afflicted. I've, I've lost my family. Uh, uh, you know, of course. Uh, I've, I've lost my kids.
I've socially orphaned them. And, you know, and then it was in the moment when you realize that you have managed, uh, that all of these things have actually taken place, um, you know, not to, not to the fault of God, but to your own actions. And then it's in that moment, I think, where you start to realize that, okay, this is, uh, this is definitely a test and it's a test that I gotta be up for. Yeah. And I think it was in those moments where I really started to kind of find meaning in my suffering. Uh, Fox sent me a book one time, it was probably one of the first books that she, it was the first book. It was, uh, by Victor Frankel, and the book was entitled, uh, man Search For Meaning. Yep. And, uh, he was basically, uh, thinking of, uh, concentration, concentration camp and a concentration camp.
Yep. And, um, was, you know, on a whole nother side of the world, but experiencing, uh, similar to what I was experiencing, uh, experiencing, uh, in Ang, I said, well, man, if this guy can tap in and get through it, you know, then surely I can tap in and get through it. Yeah. Uh, so it was in those moments, I think, uh, Tim, that, um, my ancestors spoke to me, uh, the ancestors that had overcome over 400 years of slavery in America. Mm-hmm. And it was in that moment that I realized that the DNA a that ran through them also ran through me. And if they could overcome 400 years of chattel slavery, then surely I could overcome Wow. 60 years in Angola state penitentiary through mass, under mass incarceration.
Wow.
So today, when something goes wrong, so I, I, I live with, uh, an incurable cancer. That's what I, I walk with every day. It's, you know, one of those things that, you know, you get through and people always go, but what about like today? Like, when something goes wrong today, are you like, ah, no problem, I'm fine. I'm, I'm, I got, you know, I wrote, I write the summer wrist every day. I woke up, I'm just grateful I woke up. But little things like just wreck me. Hmm. That, that don't need to, I'm like, that was so stupid. I, how did I just get fully thrown off of this little thing when I'm, I woke up again today, like I'm a alive hanging out with you cool people today,
We have a family Monte Tim that says, if it's not 297 years, it's nothing.
It's
Nothing. It's nothing. We have seen our worst days. That's right. And moved past them. And as long as we got our health and our strength, we got everything we need to make it. That's right. You
Know, and Tim, you spoke a word when you, uh, mentioned, uh, your own health challenges. And truth be told, you know, it's, it's, um, many people have, uh, their own version of suffering. Right. Uh, it can be a bad relationship, it can be a dead end job. It can be health concerns, it can be financial, um, you know, uh, situations. It can be a number of different things. But it is, again, just in those moments where we have to realize that this is not, uh, a bad thing that is happening with us at that moment. It is more so an opportunity, uh, for us to be able to demonstrate, uh, what is possible when we, uh, when we take our challenges head on
And trust God. And that for us, was the most important part about writing this book and being able to share, you know, the documentary being nominated for an Oscar. Right. Even coming straight outta prison and having an opportunity to walk the red carpet. It was all van glorious, but if we were not able to tell, um, the real struggles that we went through Yeah. Um, and, and the miracles that showed how God showed up for us, then for us, it was all for not. And so for Baker Books, um, publishing company to see our faith walk and give us a chance to share that with people. And as we say over and over again, our issue of blood was incarceration. But everybody is dealing with their own. Totally. And so we are hopeful that as people, um, pick up time, the book, the Untold Story, that they will just be able to use our story, uh, as a testament in their own lives, that if God can do it for us.
Yes. It took 21 years. And one of those things on that journey, probably like you, Tim, that we realized is that, um, I can't worry about tomorrow. You know, it, it was at different moments for me that I would find myself having me and the boys living for the day. When Rob came home. Everything was when he comes home, come on. When, when, when, when he comes home all about tomorrow. And then I had to say, no, I don't even know if I may be blessed to get there, come. But what I do know is that I have right now, and what am I gonna do right now? I'm gonna go visit and I'm gonna be in this moment right here, right now, because no matter where we are, we are family and God is giving us this moment. So, um, it was a challenge trying not to look at the future moments and really just be grateful and present in the moment that we had right now. And what that look like. That's
Right. Mm. Cause it's in those moments that you come to the realization that you've experienced enough yesterday's, you've experienced enough yesterday's to know that tomorrow will come. So enjoy the day, enjoy the day that you've been given. So it's like every day we, we, you know, we enter it, we exit it knowing that, oh man, this is, this has been one beautiful day. When they say, um, this is, um, this is the
Day. This is the day that the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be glad
In it. Come on.
I love that. I love that. That's so good. I think we should just take an offering right now and be done
Or order a book,
Come on. Come on. Oh yes. Probably. Duh. That we, we'll, we'll have said that a hundred times. Everybody, please go do that. Please do that. And we'll, we'll put that in the show notes as well. What did you guys need most in those hard years? Yeah,
I think the thing that just sustained us most, um, was one, remembering that everything we needed, we already had, when Robert and I made a decision that fatal decision to, um, regain financial solvency by taking something, um, it immediately afterwards it was realized to us, oh my God. It, it wasn't the money. Everything we needed, we already had, we had each other. And as long as we had our health and our strength and our love, everything else in this life that we wanted to a achieve, you know, we get so lost on this American dream syndrome stuff. Yes. Right? Yes. The, all the stuff and, and all of the stuff, it fades away. But it is God's love that goes eternally. And we had that and we gave it up trying to get the American dream junk. And, um, and we paid dearly for it. That's
Right. And I probably said it best at the, uh, close of time, uh, the documentary when I said that love is on life's only valid expression. And when you understand that, even though it's an acronym, and it sounds cute and all that other stuff, but truthfully, uh, love is all we need. And when we have love, we realize that love conquers off. Cause
God is love and love is God.
I'm about. That makes all the mathematical sense in the world
Hmm. Come on,
Second book,
That's what people buy the books by the book. Think there's gonna be a bunch more of these things in every single chapter.
Mm.
It, it just intentionally or unintentionally she was just kind of saying, well, th this lady, you know, whether she was saying, well, they got what they got and that they're gonna get whatever I give them, um, it just, it was such a clear view of how we dehumanize people. Mm-hmm.
When I was in prison, it was probably maybe my first couple of nights in prison. And there was a young lady who was my bunkmate that was a former, that she was a former crack addict out of New Orleans, and, uh, had spent years as she had shared with me, uh, as a, a crack addict. And, um, so one day we were talking and she says to me, baby, lemme tell you something. Two mountains may never meet, but two people will. And I said, Ooh, ouch. It was the realest truth I have ever heard. And, and, and knowing how God works for me, I always try to treat people like they're gonna be the doorkeeper for the next door that God has me walk through no matter what kind of day I'm having. I to remember, cuz you, like you said, 80 minutes I'm in church.
Yeah. But the mother 10,000 minutes Yeah. Is a whole nother story. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I love
That. So can you imagine in that documentary when in small town Louisiana, all those people came back saying, cha, you know, I heard your name on that documentary,
Of course.
Oh my God.
I love that. I love that Rob. Is there practiced that you have that, that you know, cuz none of us are perfect. Just like Fox just said, it's like there's, there's moments that somebody says something and you're like, okay, you have just triggered the, the wrath of me, you know,
But it's in those moments that we're, we're trying to figure out as, as Jesus people, how do we go, okay, Jesus, help me actually represent you in this moment when now I'm so pissed off at this person.
Damn, I'm gonna say one, this is not even a fair question cuz this brother is one of the most Zen people I have ever met in my life. And he actually annoys me sometimes because he's totally old busk. You know, I'd be like, no, you better come on and get upset with me.
Is awesome.
It would, um, probably be, um, uh, scripture I think, uh, says it best when it says that I have learned that whatsoever state I be in that wish to be content. And it takes a journey to get you to that particular point. Um, there was a, uh, program that I took while I was incarcerated, uh, by, it was, uh, a program that was implemented by, uh, NFL Great, uh, Jim Brown. It's called the, uh, America Can Program. And it's a program for, uh, for social change, uh, that he created in order to address a lot of the, uh, riots that were happening in la uh, shortly after the, uh, Rodney King, uh, incident that took place there. Um, but when faced with, uh, with difficulties and things like that, he has a, a process that, uh, that we would go through. And that process is, is that first and foremost you have to eliminate the negatives.
Secondly, you have to establish the fact. And then once you establish the facts, you then choose your best options. Once you get to a point that you can actually eliminate the negative, uh, whoever it is that's getting in your face, whatever it is that's causing the problems, whatever that is, just take the moment in order to eliminate the negative. Once you're able to establish the facts, when you're in the moment of establishing the facts, it's in that moment, I think that you reach your point of empathy. Not sympathy, but empathy because it allows you to put yourself in the shoes of the other person. Uh, when you're able to then put yourself in the shoes of the other person, it's in that moment that understanding starts to come with you. And then you are usually able to address it in the best possible light at that point because you, you've done all of the, uh, you've done the exercise to get you to that point, you know? And, uh, so, you know, in life, you know, we don't, we don't really, uh, face problems and, uh, what we do, you know, for us, you know, it's just an exercise. Problems are when you have no, uh, no ending, uh, in, in my no solutions to 'em. But if you understand the formula, the formula will always get you the right answer. So it's just an exercise.
How, how do you, how do you eliminate the negative? Is that like internally? I mean, cuz ne you know, you, you were just in prison, right? There's mm-hmm.
So much that he is the problem as much as it is that the spirit that is working inside of him, that is the problem. Okay. So whatever that is, the moment that happens for me is that okay, this is not even about me. This is, this is something, something not about me. It's not something about this brother that, uh, that I'm, I'm facing, uh, in, in this moment or nothing of the sort. But it's in those moments, like Fox may mention, when she identified that this young lady was a former crack addict, uh, very seldom do you encounter people, especially in those types of places, uh, that you don't come to the conclusion real fast that this person has obviously had a trying life, a challenging life. Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Mm.
Well said baby,
That's so good.
It is Rich Family Ministries Ministries Rich Family ministries.org. Rich,
Rich Family ministries.org. P people please go check that out and please go by their book. Um, are there ways, other ways we can support you just as humans?
Uh, I think prayer always works. Um, for us right now, we are on a mission team to get this book into the hand of as many incarcerated souls as we can. Okay. Yeah. Um, we know that what our family learned on this 21 year journey, um, for Rob and I both to be incarcerated, raised six sons and, um, none of them have been incarcerated. So we were able to break the generational curses as well as, you know, not are they just amazing young men? Um, five have been to college, one is a doctor, um, one is the director of operations on Capitol Hill for one of our congressmen at 23 years old. Um, two of them are married, we have no grandchildren yet. Um, so just, they're all doing really exceptional things. And um, one is a Somali, yay. We didn't even know what that word was until he became one
Yeah.
He was like, oh yeah, my son's one of those too.
Yeah, yeah,
Yeah. We got that in the family.
I love, yeah, I love beer
Just kidding. And so we're just, um, you know, um, thanking God in advance for being able to bless people with this work so that it can continue to grow. And I think that by restoring our families is how we reduce crime in our country. Mm-hmm.
You guys, you are beautiful. Yeah. You are so beautiful. Yeah. It's just such a joy to have this conversation. My wife is like jealous. She wanted to be a part of this. I'm like, well, you have to
Listen to it. Well, listen, if you guys find yourselves down in New Orleans, you give us a call.
Okay. Dunn. And if you're in Nashville, you give us a call. Yes. We'll take you at we'll som eggs.
Well, look, the dentist is, uh, he graduated from Meharry. He, he and his girlfriend. Mm-hmm.
Yes.
We'll, so with wine and all that, it'll be it's our treat. My treat.
Yes it did. Yes,
It indeed easy. Um, okay, so this is a quick, quick round, you guys, this is quick round. This isn't, you can't think about this. This is just, you give your answer right away, okay? Mm-hmm.
Fix coffee.
Yeah. I kiss Fox
Oh gosh. I
Love it. Gold. Once again, people go by the book. Yes. So good. Okay. Pet peeves. I know you don't have any, but if you did
And mine would be just the opposite. I hate how, uh, how erratic. She's sometimes
Oh my my gosh. Love, love it. A good balance. Pleasure Island
Muffy, Jos
Preach. Come again.
Muffy Jowls
And preach. I
Don't know, we should
Muffy j
My family called me Muffy Jos cuz my jaws are so fat. Oh,
I love that. That is so great. Okay. Something you're currently celebrating.
Oh my goodness. That I am, uh, about to be the state representative for, for the most powerful house district in the state of Louisiana on February the 18th. That is a former incarcerated woman. God has restored me to my dream. And as of yesterday, the senator, the US congressman, three council members have all endorsed my candidacy. Ooh,
That is so great. We celebrate with you. That is so great, guys. Amazing.
Amazing
Come on. That is awesome. Come on. Well, okay, we'll move on. Hidden talent, both of you.
Ooh, hidden
Talent. Let's go. G-rated. I like to sing G-rated.
I like to sing even though I'm not good at it. That that is probably consider that my hidden talent.
You call that a hidden talent.
What say
Hidden talent. Rob, you got, what do you got?
Loving Fox.
Aw
Pretty good at that. You're
Not
The right answer. Yeah.
You don't have a hidden talent,
Ron. Oh yeah. Love and Pop
I have a chance to tell this lady that I love her or take the opportunity to say that I love her. I know little change goes a long way,
Gosh.
So good. Okay, last one is bucket list. You guys have any bucket list items? Um, yes.
We wanna be, we are prospective Nobel Peace Prize winners. Tim, we plan to do so much work in this world to undo mass incarceration that somebody's gonna write to Switzerland and tell them that we deserve the Nobel Peace Prize.
And if so, we would be the seventh couple to ever receive the, uh, the honors.
Wow. Wow.
Seven number of perfection. They're waiting on us too. Come
On
Everybody go by the book. And if you are in charge of the Nobel Peace Prize and you're listening to this, please make this happen.
You guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. What a joy to have you on this today. And for our listeners to be encouraged by you Fox and Rob, Fox and Rob, I mean offerings I could've taken 94 offerings
I like the angle that the conversation went. I think we could have gone a thousand different places in this, in this conversation because there's so much there. Yeah. And I think like really leaning into like what they've learned and like when God has been present and, and when they haven't felt them, and like how they've, um, how they've lived through this crazy Yeah. You know, ordeal, um, together how their love is kind of like, gosh, they're, it, it's pretty incredible.
Um, you guys, if you, if you were, if you were just listening on the podcast and you weren't watching Yeah. The video
Yeah. Sharing the, sharing the AirPod about Yeah.
They're in love. They're they were
In love. Yeah, they are. It's really incredible.
I loved the 200 and whatever years line. Yeah. Yeah. If it's another,
It's not that sentence. It's Yep.
It's so funny. Yeah. I got catchphrases, that's for sure.
But even in life, like each of us have things that we've gone through that have just sucked mm-hmm.
Yeah. And they, it seems like they've really touched compassion. Like they went through this incredible two decades journey, um, probably needing a lot of compassion to just come out of it and be like, I know what it is to need help as an incarcerated family, so let's go do that. Let's continue the story instead of, instead of trying to maybe hope it goes away and never really happened. Yeah. And we all have those moments. We've done something we just don't want anyone to ever know about. And it's just done. It's in the past. Yeah. But they're like, no, it's all in the light. And we did some things and some things were redeemed and some things turned around and now we want other families to know that they're not alone. Yeah. That it's not the end. And that we understand where you are. So their story is about compassion for each other in the lowest of their moments.
And for people who feel they're at their lowest right now. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
The empathy, how he was just deciphering between comp even like, uh, sympathy, empathy. I mean, it's cliche, but it's like it was real in that guy's story.
Mm-hmm.
No. So, so good. They're
Great.
Um, yeah. I want to have dinner with them.
I really hope they come. I really, and if you guys go on tour and you go to New Orleans,
Yeah. Thank you everybody. Thank you for listening to this podcast. If you've made it this far, you are our new best friend, um,
We can move the budget around. We'll look at it
Okay. Bye you guys.