Therapist and author of “What If It’s Wonderful?” Nicole Zasowski shares how 10 years of chronic loss shaped her view of joy, the way our brains adapt to joy and how we can cultivate it in every season. Tangents included: Bald monsters… Practice: Pause and Cultivate Joy by celebrating something today.
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Therapist and author of “What If It’s Wonderful?” Nicole Zasowski shares how 10 years of chronic loss shaped her view of joy, the way our brains adapt to joy and how we can cultivate it in every season. Tangents included: Bald monsters…
Practice: Pause and Cultivate Joy by celebrating something today.
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When God does something to further a dream in our story or there's breakthrough, let's celebrate that. But the problem becomes when we want more from that thing, when we want more joy, when we're expecting more joy from it. Mm-hmm.
Hey everybody, welcome to the 10,000 Minute podcast. Hey guys, uh, some of us are putting up our hair right now. Yeah. Into a man bun. And I'm gonna be real. That's nice. Candid right now. It does look really nice. Good. It's not me.
I feel so free. I'm
In a rough spot here too.
I know that kinda hurt Chris. He said Okay. It was about my hair, but now it's about your trip. Whatever
Your, your head looks tan.
It does look tan.
It looks crisp. I saw it at church yesterday. I thought, yeah. Good job, tan. You got a little sun. Thank you.
I got a lot of sun, but
It gets sun every day. So how's it? It's much more tan, you
Know. Well, the numbers, they don't add up.
For us? Closer to the equator
In
Costa Rica? In Costa Rica.
Costa Rica. Yeah. Costa Rica. Um, you know, I was, I was trying to think of something stupid. Okay.
Hang the Bono or
So hanging with Bono. Yeah. Yeah. Which would be a dumb thing that I would say. And, uh, yeah. They, they made a lot of jokes about me being a pelon, like a bald
Guy. Oh
Yeah.
Wow.
So,
I, you know what? I've never seen he never drinking. Bald guy. Yeah. Never, never a Hispanic, bald man. Have you ever seen one
Ever? Yeah. My uncle. Okay.
I'll bring a photo in next time. Bring a show and sell everyone. Bring a bald person and just be like, I have from every culture I have ply exist. Yeah.
I, I just maybe thought it was only white guys.
Hmm.
So today is on cultural sensitivity.
Edit that
Out five different ways.
Yeah. If you're bald and you're Latino, um, please send a picture.
You were in Costa Rica with
Bono. I was in Costa Rica with Bono, and he said, Tim, would you sing one of your songs to me again?
Wait a minute.
Okay. Any who? So my name's Tim Timmons, everybody.
Hey Tim.
What's your name?
It's, uh,
Oh, that's right.
Mm-hmm. It's a perfect name.
And my name is Oi Theis, but Oi is my middle name.
And you have a ball. That's
All I have to say. I have a ball done face
With his last name is Denise. Sometimes
His last name is Notis. Ooh.
This is a plot twist
Stick around Season two
Juicy
Two is juicy. That's be really great.
Before? No, but I was able to get my hands on an early release of that book Yeah. That she wrote. Um, and it was, um, amazing. The stuff I read. I was so excited. Yeah,
Yeah. Yeah. So we, we've been very excited about this episode specifically, and it did not disappoint. So she's an mft. Mm-hmm.
Zaki.
Zaki. I was just kidding. I was kidding. I was totally kidding.
Hey. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In your eyes was all a joke.
Isn't that Mike, Mike Suski?
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Me one
More time. Come to think, come to think of it. There are no bald monsters.
But he is, but you can't tell under the fedora again,
Another fake fan. I love that movie. We'll unpack that. Another fan,
Was he like, he like, he takes his hat off something. Is
He bald? Yes, he's bald. Oh.
Cause you know, cause of the
Fire. Guys, we'll cut it. It's
Too much
What a thing to prove
Hey, this is Moy. Each episode we're going to hear from listeners about the impact that practices like this one from season one have had in their life. Here's Jen.
Hi, my name is Jen. I'm from Richmond, Virginia, and this is my 10,000 minutes practice story From season one, I struggled 40 plus years with pride, perfection, and self-loathing. When I couldn't attain that perfection, every mistake, no matter how small, had me beating myself up as to how dumb I was, how stupid I was, how unworthy I was. The mirror is our worst enemy. We aren't pretty enough, we aren't skinny enough. This flaw, that flaw all extenuated by a thousand percent. This practice helps me remember what and who God says I am and how he sees me. No matter how much I mess up or how badly I see myself, this stuck with me. And I have it on a note on my bathroom mirror. No matter what, God lavishes his love on you all day long. Breathe in. You love me. Breathe out no matter what. Thank you, Tim, for this 10,000 minutes practice. No matter what.
If you found this bit or any other practice helpful, let us know by emailing mail@tenthousandminutes.com and we might include your story in a feature episode.
Everybody, welcome to the 10,000 Minute podcast.
My name is no real
Transition. Timothy Howard Timmons. We've got a moi. Denise. Hello. Now in a different place today. Really to my hot left.
Yeah, it's me guys. This is the closest we've been. It's me. Yeah.
You two have never really been together.
I don't know. That's why I'm turning this way. Yeah, it's it's new. It's uncomfortable. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Open up the mana and then it's me. I'm so sorry. I'm gonna go this way. Can take it Cleveland.
Hey guys, on the far left, just
I didn't think, I didn't even think about it then I'm over here. Yes.
And then to my far right. No, this isn't working super well.
Always. My first question, z Suzowski
Zk.
Yes. Very good. Because
It's like, kind of how it looks. Yeah, it is. It just, there's an
S it's surprisingly phonetic, but it looks overwhelming.
There's an S here that sounds like a Z and there's a Z. That sounds like a Z. And then there's another S That sounds like an S.
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Okay. What was your, what
Was your
Nickname? Wallace
Wallace's. Here. Name know
How much I love my husband cause I'm milling
That is a big commitment.
It's a
Big it. Oh man.
My poor kids always last for everything.
Right?
No,
Didn't even think about that. I know it's a long road. I mean, I'm Timon so I'm, I'm pretty far back there. But Zeki is
Like, yeah, that's
Usually the bitter end. Yeah.
Oh man.
Learning z I can't even think of a
Zimmerman. Zimman Zimmerman. Might be a little further. Yep.
Okay. So you are from the Connecticut, that's where you live right now? Yes,
Yes. We've lived there a a little over 10 years. Yeah,
Because before that you were from the California.
Yes, we lived there, uh, first for six years. And I grew up in Seattle. Ooh,
You're from that. So this is the fourth corner. I'm jealous of Seattle.
Yeah. Yeah, I am too. That's so nice. I I would love, it's a beautiful part of the country and I loved being from there and love visiting. So wonderful. Great place.
And just for fun, the guy that you make out with works for Disney, right?
Yes. Amazing. What's he do?
He, well, he has more the boring side of Disney. Okay.
That's great. Make it make it sound cool.
Pretty good. You're welcome. Disney Plus. Yeah. So
It's a big project. Disney.
I bet it was. Sis. Come on.
Born the same day as my second son. So we didn't see a whole lot of my husband leaning up to
The bird.
Love to talk about today. Just resentment.
So he's not here. What would you like to say to him? Like
Just to support. Shoulda out today.
He should've. He should've. Okay, so why don't, he's a lot of fun to talk to have
Been, I feel blank when you
We'll send him an episode to
I feel loved when he supports
Me and comes with me. Wish right there. Exactly. Talking make, she's not today, Satan. That's how she said. Yeah, that's right. Not today,
Um, so you are also a shrink.
Yes. Yes. I'm a marriage and family therapist.
So are you an M F T? Do you have your M F T? What do you Yep.
Okay. Those are my letters. Okay.
That's marriage, family therapist. That's
What she literally just said. Monday, Fridays and Tuesdays in the room. What'd you leave Monday? I think just her availability. Monday's, Fridays and Tuesdays. Okay. That's good. Thank you. Um, you know, that's why they keep me, you know, she's so quick.
Um, my mom is an MFT as well. Oh great.
Yeah. In California. I don't know if that's where she is. Yes. But there's a lot of them. Yes.
She's
Awesome. She was on and it was actually one of our biggest episodes. So we were talking about grief.
Oh yes. Wonderful.
She just laid it down. It was,
It was pretty real. Yes.
Yeah. Carol is her name. Carol
Can't wait. We're really trying to do, bring a lot of therapists on so we don't have to pay. So Yeah. This more barter system, you can bill us later. It's
So, Chris and I were on a walk this morning cause we go on walks.
I love that. I do
Too. Um, and which is really great. And you know, it's not like we're walking together, like in the Christian form, we literally just go on walks. Right.
Of you guys are gonna be can
Speak to
It. Yes, yes. Help us out.
I love that.
So, uh, you have a book that's out Yep. A month. And your first book was a total awesome timing cuz it came out a week before pandemic.
What was that? A few weeks? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Perfect. Before the pandemic hit, it was really great. Just when all your marketing and publicity is happening,
Just kill
Yes. At that point. Yeah.
Get it, man.
Um, but this, this book is very intriguing. Thanks. Yes. I mean, your name is intriguing in and of itself.
But celebration. We're, we're trying to, with 10,000 minutes, we're always trying to figure out how do we put whatever these wise things are into practice, whether Jesus principles or whatnot, how do we put them into practice and not just go, oh, that's a cool book, but what's it look like to put these things into actual life, everyday life practice. So would you just give us a little bit of background on this book? Mm-hmm.
Celebrate. Yeah. So a lot of, um, people look at the cover and they read that question, what if it's wonderful and they assume that it was born out of a season of joy and good news. Right. And that I have a lot to say about celebration and I do now. Um, and in part that that's true. But really this book was born out of a season of pain and loss and change. Hmm. Um, I had walked through about 10 years of chronic loss and grief. Mm-hmm. And you know, when you go through loss of any kind, whether it's a season or an event, there's what happened. There's the thing itself, the loss, and then there's the cost. And the cost is the impact to your identity and your sense of safety. Hmm. And what took me a really long time to realize was that part of the cost for me was that my joy when I did start stepping into a season that was characterized by more good news and breakthrough, my joy was accompanied by a lot of fear. I was always waiting for the other shoe to drop. Yeah. Most people don't realize that joy is actually the most vulnerable feeling we feel because when you hold something, it is automatically accompanied by the possibility of disappointment or loss. Is
That a thing that joys the most
Vulnerable? Yes. Brene Brown talks a lot about that, and I've certainly realized it to be true as a therapist. And in my own life. There's a vulner. We, we think of pain being vulnerable and certainly it is. Right. But, but this idea of holding something mm-hmm.
Okay. So you, you, I mean, reading through, um, a bit of your book as I already have, um, there are a lot of struggles with, um, with losing children. I mean, you lost three kids, right? I mean, five, five kids. This is like an ongoing,
It's an ongoing thing. My husband and I have a diagnosis that when I conceive a child, I have an over 50% chance of losing that baby to miscarriage. Mm-hmm.
Okay. So practically, what's that look like? Cause I love that as a statement, but like Yes. Practically, when you're like, okay, this sucks. Mm-hmm.
Yes. So go 30. I have a lot to say on this. Yes.
Real quick. Yeah. So the 30,000 foot view. Perfect.
You know what, this has been such a great time with you, Nicole. Stop. Sorry. I wanna hear smarter people than goodness.
So the 30,000 foot view is, um, I feel like in general we tend to look at celebration as a reaction to good news. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. And not merely a reaction or a reward when there's a shift or a change. Again, it, it can include those things, but this is way more of a discipline and a practice than it is a trophy at the end of a dream realized, or a goal achieved or some sort of shift in circumstances mm-hmm.
Savor, savoring,
Savoring celebrates the ordinary. The ordinary, okay. Mm-hmm.
I remember you mentioned that in the book actually. Yes. Something about, about how how quick we are Yep. To always hold onto those things versus the positive things.
Mm-hmm.
So it's a stacking of stones, if you
Will. Yes. Yes.
Just a more practical way of mm-hmm.
Make that a gi give me a story behind that or an
Illustration. Yes. Um, so when I am sitting with a friend and just feeling really thankful for this person's presence in my life, I would glean some joy from just noticing, wow, I love this person and they've made such a difference. Uh, their friendship has made such a difference to me. Versus if I look them in the eye and say, I need you to know this is the difference you make by being in my life. These are the ways that I've grown because you're, you're my friend and the ways that you love me and challenge me, here's why my life is better. Yeah. Because you're in it that just throws gasoline
Yeah. The first, so that you're saying, you're saying that the first part of that was just thankfulness. It's like, I'm so thankful that they're in my life.
Gratitude gratitude's the feeling. Yep. And then the thankfulness is actually, I'm gonna tell you gonna shared,
It's a shared thank, it's a shared celebration. Mm-hmm.
Okay. Yep. I love that. And when we think about my favorite story on this is, um, the, the healing of the 10 lepers. And they all cry out to Jesus, you know, they've got nothing to lose by Yeah. Calling out to him and asking for healing. And he tells them, go to the temple, which is traditionally the next step you take after being healed. So they had to have faith that they'd be healed on the way. Sure enough, they start to see their own healing in the faces and bodies of their friends. We can assume given the life change, that that would be that they all felt grateful. Yeah. But only one return to thank Jesus. And Jesus says, well, we're all 10 healed. Yeah. That's good. And and that wasn't merely, I always read that story as, as like, Jesus making a bid for our praise. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And it wasn't merely a bid for our praise. It, it's Thanksgiving is our opportunity to celebrate the gift with the giver. Mm. And this is our, our opportunity to celebrate with God, um, through Thanksgiving. And so it's that shared piece.
Love that. Love
That. That's so important.
So that's practical. Yes. Is what you're trying
To say.
Uh, there were a few questions, uh, you had said, yeah, what joys in your life are standing awkwardly in the wrong position? And then what celebration in your life has eclipsed your celebration of God? I thought those were two really inter interesting questions. I don't, I don't know what to do with those questions. Can you give me a little I can
Talk about 'em.
Yeah.
That's another line I wrote down. That was great. Oh,
Thank you. Yeah. Um,
Didn't understand it, but it sound it sounded for satiation. Sorry.
Use that in a sentence please.
Satire, satire,
Um, sorry, say it again. Cause I totally jacked up
No. What sits at the center of our affection Yes. Will determine the satiation of our joy. Meaning the, there's a lot of beautiful gifts that we all get to experience in our lives. Relationships, you know, good news opportunities that we get Yeah. To use our gifts. Yep. These are all really good things and we should celebrate them. Yeah. When, when God does something to further a dream in our story or there's breakthrough, let's celebrate that. But the problem becomes when we want more from that thing, when we want more joy, when we're expecting more joy from it mm-hmm.
Proper celebration should reorder our love. Mm-hmm.
Got a lot of thoughts mm-hmm.
Thanks. He keeps singing. Yeah, I know. It's not even his birthday. That's every podcast. It's
November
Uh, uh, and sometimes for my wife, I'll do like, you know, I always write her letters mm-hmm.
Thank you for sharing that. Yeah.
I brought her on Chris
I have a question. What does it look like? Or, because I, I feel like this helps us gain awareness in maybe in the mundane mm-hmm.
Yeah. I love that question because, um, toxic positivity would be, uh, an angle. Mm-hmm.
Huge right now. Yes. Isn't
That what God is supposed to do for us
Yes. And God is so good and life is so hurtful and painful mm-hmm.
Mm. And it's my favorite way of spending time alone with God. And I thought, well that is so interesting. I mean, who would wanna go
Swish on that. Yeah.
Yeah.
I feel like if I had known that in my grieving cuz I lost a brother in 2011, I'm sorry. I think it, it would've helped me not feel so removed and isolated Ah-huh. That I'm still unpacking today. Yeah. I think I would've walked with Jesus through my grief so good. Instead of just like so good hiding it and then finally learning how to share it. Mm-hmm.
Yeah. That's so well said. I, I was talking with Jess Connolly who wrote the forward of the book and one of the things she said was pre pandemic, I feel like this rhythm of celebration would've strengthened me for what I needed mm-hmm.
The practicality of this is really great. Yes. Because, and how it builds like snapshot to a practice of joy. Like, we're gonna do this because we do it and uh, and then the right siding, the expectation of what it's supposed to provide us, I think is really interesting. Mm-hmm.
What stops people then. Mm-hmm.
Yes. Um, so this is an, an exhaustive list. Um, but there's about five reasons that seem to come up over and over again. The first is that fear piece where we're afraid of the other shoe dropping. Um, you know, if I hold joy it's just gonna get taken away. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Like, which I, I know some people that that would be a real Yeah. They live in that space. I'm like, well nothing good's ever happening.
Yes, exactly. And they think they're perfectly willing to celebrate if that good thing came along
Is interesting cuz you're talking about celebration existing in the past and present. Yeah. And we're seeing it at a as a future only kind of thing. Yeah.
So that it's a rhythm available to us now. Um, the third is, um, we are unsure how to reconcile this invitation to celebrate with our value of humility. We see those as mutually mm-hmm. Exclusive instead of something that goes together actually quite beautifully.
Say that another way.
So when, so I'll just speak personally. Yeah. Thank you. I have discovered that my hesitancy to celebrate is actually a sign that I have made that celebration about me. This false humility of Got it. Nope. Can't receive any affirmation or can't, I'm just not gonna make a big deal of this. Um, because it draws attention to myself. Mm-hmm.
And so that's the heart of David when he is, you know, going wild with celebration when they bring the art arc of the covenant in and people are looking upon him like this is so inappropriate. Hmm. Um, you know, mial Saul's daughter had some strong opinions on that
Mm-hmm. So I'm just gonna stay quiet If I am celebrating, I'm not gonna hurt somebody else and be insensitive. So I'm just gonna be quiet. And our default is to do both alone. Mm-hmm. Um, and the joy comes from doing both together. And then the fifth reason, um, is something that I experienced perf, uh, personally, but hear it a lot, you know, in that dark season, in that season of pain, a a totally different relationship with God, um, formed between the two of us. And that was so precious to me. The, the ways that I grew in that season, um, the ways that I came to know God differently in that season was such a special gift of that pain. Hmm. And I was sad when I realized, having grown up in the church my whole life, I had no context for what it looked like to intimately engage with God in the light of my joy. Mm-hmm.
Yeah. And I think it's a reflection of how we understand God in our own personal walk with him. Mm-hmm.
Is. Isn't that funny that we just balance the, our experiences of I've lived a really bountiful celebratory season, so now it's time for him to teach me a lesson. Yes. And
So
Visual. Um, yeah. I really resonate with that.
Yes. And do you think that is going to be, maybe not, I don't know, but like a topic post pandemic mm-hmm.
Like I think it already is. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it will continue to this hesitation around joy and celebration. And that is why I'm so, so passionate about celebration being a rhythm mm-hmm.
I two k must have been restful full. We're still a packing white two kids. That's what it's that's right.
But just this idea of like, I hope I have a reason to feel joyful and mm-hmm. Um, and I saw that conversation so strongly since the pandemic started. Like, this is gonna be our year. It's an as if there's something magic about the
Right turn of the calendar yesterday,
Um, but just being able to say no regardless, we have mm-hmm.
So good. Yes.
Thank you.
Mm-hmm.
Yes. And joy,
Which leads the celebration lead to joy or is joy, how does that work?
I think celebration is a practice that cultivates joy in our lives. Mm-hmm.
So good.
Thank you. I'm glad this resonated. Thank you.
Yes. Yeah. Amazing.
You guys wanna start the podcast? Yeah.
George
Hours. So guys, any other problems that you have a few things record? Um, okay. So now we're gonna jump into 10,000 thoughts. Okay. Awesome. That sounds like a funny joke after actually. Just, just like speed round. Oh man, dumbness. Okay. It's gonna be great. Um, if you need to drink some water, go right ahead. This is, this is where it matters. Okay. Yeah, because your husband sent us a few things. Okay, good. Um, that were a little inappropriate. I thought this was not okay for me to read, you know what I mean? So any Okay. Cats versus dogs.
Dots,
Who's amazing. We've been visceral reaction every time.
Yeah. I'm actually, I don't have, I'm not afraid of many things in life.
You're afraid of
Cats? I terrified of cats.
You think they're gonna kill you?
Okay. We could talk for like really
Long
So I had very strange jobs when I was a kid and one of them, well my first babysitting job, they had four cats. Yep. Mm. Not kids cats. Yep. Yep. And one of 'em, my em too
Oh
No. And I used to give these kids kids glow in the dark stickers.
Gotten Sun of a money outta
A horror movie. Like claw my leaped off the bed with glowing eyes and clawed my face. Um, so that was one experience. And then I had a house sat a very wealthy family Yeah. That had the house for them. And then they also had a house for their cats up the driveway as one
Does
Coop? No, I'm talking like its own address. Yeah.
Like a family of fun. Oh
My goodness. Lived in this place. Yeah. And so they had I think four cats in there as well. And I, everyone had a different like need and I was just so scared the whole
Time. My
Goodness. Not that I, and I hope I don't make your listeners very angry.
Angry. Yeah. You've, I've got a lot of people. You've lost so many cat lovers. But I'm not, I'm
Not the, the biggest animal person in the world. I appreciate them, but I'm not like passionate about animals. We
Have a couple dogs so you could
But I do, um, I do prefer dogs for obvious reason.
It makes sense. The numbers add up. Wow. Cats versus Satan
You go. There you
Go. Okay. Uh, we don't wanna confront. Yeah. We want to care front. I
Like that. Okay.
I like that. Again, I've got two shrinks as parents. Um, okay. Currently reading or watching.
Oh, um,
Guilty pleasure. And for good
I finished it, but I, I do, I'm a Yellowstone person. Okay. In terms of watching, um, reading I am going through now, of course. Uh, the way of the heart. Ooh. By Henry now. Yes. With my spiritual director. I love that book. Mm-hmm. Um, and I rec, well I'm not finished with it, so I always hesitate. Yeah. Because with my luck it will take a weird turn the second half of the book. But I'm enjoying a book called The Personal Librarian. It's like a historical fiction. Okay. Yeah. But it's about, there's some real characters in there, so hard to know if maybe there's some truth to mm-hmm.
Is this end times related? Nope.
It's not. Add
The list Rapture or
Sorry. Okay. Something on your bucket list.
Oh, bucket list. I need to dream more apparently. Um,
Celebrate your bucket list.
That's right. Um, this
Is a speed round.
Yeah. Let's make that happen.
Oh man. I have a really hard time when, um, certain people chew
Oh yeah.
Certain people noise of Yes. Like your husband. No, he's pretty good. But no, my family thank God is is okay. But it's not even the person all the time. It's, it's the food. Yep.
I also let you know in what scenario you're close enough to someone who's not your husband and children that you can hear them chew
A lot. For some
People.
Like ships really gets me.
Okay. No, I've got, I've got cuss words already coming out.
And Apple can be really bad. Yep.
Oh
Yeah. And it really, like, I'm a pretty patient person and it, I'm like white and ling my
Seat. Like there's a thing about that, you know, there's like some kinda
I've heard it's a sign of intelligence. I'm hoping that's true.
Oh, interestingly it's cause No, but there's like an actual syndrome or something that I must have it DMS three
12.
But there really is, so if you're listening people, oh
Man. Please
Comment and say it's called
The right word. Whatever. It's
Seriously. I
Believe it. Believe for sure. I've never seen it in the dsm, but I'm grateful to know there's a term.
I'm sure. 12th version. What DSM are we two at this point? Five. Five? Yeah. Yeah.
Like revised edition or something.
Yeah. Okay. Something you celebrated this week.
Oh, what
A great place. Other than being on this podcast.
Yes. Um, I celebrated this trip to Nashville. I got to meet a lot of people that I've known for a long time online and just fun to hug people again and get to say hi face to face. So
Love
That. That's been really good. You all included,
Obviously. I
Mean that's, thank you
Guys for the first 20 minutes she was here, she just kept talking about how great this podcast
Two on Disney Plus would be great. Oh my
Goodness. Not sponsored
We'll talk, we'll
Talk. Well Nicole, thank you for being on with us. Thank
You so much.
Such
A gift to me. This would be, is really helpful for us and for our people. I'm so glad. Thank you. So everybody check out her book, what If it's wonderful. Um, and her next book is super exciting. It's called Cats or The Devil
And Glow The Dark Sugar. Some memoir. Yes.
With my publisher about that one.
Okay. Thank you. Nicole
Zaki. I just like her last name. Yeah. And I don't celebrate it a little bit.
Yeah know I feel like we didn't celebrate her name enough
Crew.
We just did. That's
Okay. It's, but we, I mean we did, we're doing it behind her back, which is totally, which is betters
Better. Like Yeah.
Yeah. That makes sense. Oh,
I didn't want, I don't
It's like a fun person to hang around.
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, and celebration should be done in, um, community.
Oh yes.
Like with others, like everything else
Yes. That's the beauty of all these episodes. When you share it with people, you know, um, there's just a bigger picture. You're seeing something richer. Things are just, um, clear. And she's, she talked about how celebrating with others has a power. Mm-hmm.
Yeah. And who, who are you celebrating? Who am I actually going and seeing something in somebody else and celebrating them. Mm-hmm.
Beautiful. I think celebration is really, like, I think with myself, if I'm celebrating with myself, it's pretty subdued in my head. I'm really not celebrating unless I'm doing it with other people. Hmm. You know what I mean? And, and so it just becomes like exponentially better, uh, with other people. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Right. Which, because we're rethinking what's worth celebrating. Mm-hmm.
I think it's important too that we're, it's not either or. Right. Right. And so oftentimes, like, especially Christians, we kind of do this, like, we're either awesome or not, and that's just not life. Mm-hmm.
So guys, that is the practice for this week. This practice is pause and celebrate something today.
Yeah.
So that, that would be, you know, as I've got this X eczema, my wrist, what's that thing for you that might just remind you to pause and practice celebrating something, uh, in your own life with other people or in somebody else?
And we wanna know what you're celebrating too. Yeah. That's a good call. So please leave a comment. Um, check us out on social media. We love hanging out and hearing what the community, the way you guys are expressing each practice as well. Um, and we learn from you as much as you guys learn from these conversations.
Totally. Totally. So, um, thanks, you too.
Thanks.
Such a good time.
And also, hey, thank you Sarah. T
Woo. Sarah
T what's going on. And here's the deal. Sarah, t um, Sarah t and Diane V. So these are just two more people who are giving every single, uh, month to 10,000 minutes. You can give monthly, weekly, however you want. One big thing. Um, daily.
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What'd you say? Daily. Daily. You can totally give daily, but it's just supporting and partnering with what we're doing. And if you guys wanna check out the 10,000 minutes text messages, you can text 10 K one zero k to the number 5 5 6 78. So the number is 5 5 6 78. And text one zero k in the subject.
If you'd like a handwritten note from Tim Timmons.
Well, you just, uh, you, what did they used to say on the commercials? Like, uh, you'd like have to mail in like a over
Yeah. Yeah. So if you guys want a handwritten letter, figure it out. Okay. Yeah. Um, so thank you both of you guys for supporting what we're doing. Truly really meaningful. And I just wanted to say something about Sarah's name. Um, I ask this every time I meet a Sarah. I say with
An H or H.
H and o. H. Yeah. Uh, so how many, how many are there more? Hs, do you think?
I don't know. I'm, I was thinking about the Benfold song. Hmm. Zach and Sarah, because he has a lyric about Sarah without an H. Oh, right. Yeah. Pretty sure. Well,
This is a Sarah without an H. Yeah. Oh, okay. And I, I think there's a personality there that like, you either have the H or you don't. I
Feel like Hs are like more conservative. Sarahs, huh? Without the H. Huh? Just a little,
Little more sassy.
A little sassier.
Sarah. T I want to know if you're the sassy
One. I not
Okay. And also Jennifer C
That could be my sister,
Yep.
If it's not you, then thank you. Anyways, Jen.
Thanks Jennifer. Thanks for not supporting us. You're
Like a sister.
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