Songwriter Jason Ingram joins us today to break down last week’s practice, the meaning of worship and what it means to give Jesus our attention. Do we pick up worry or praise? What does praise mean or look like? Join us this week as we practice: Picking Up Praise
The Experiment is a weekly deep dive into the adventures and struggles of living out our daily lives WITH Jesus, not for Him.
This week, Songwriter Jason Ingram joins us to break down last week’s practice, the meaning of worship and what it means to give Jesus our attention.
This week’s Practice focuses on the things we pick up everyday. Do we pick up worry or praise? What does praise mean or look like? David praised God even in the midst of the chaos and in the mundane. What would it look like for us to do the same?
Join us this week as we Practice:
Picking Up Praise
Next week we’ll discuss how it all went, the good, bad, the funny, with special guest Patrick Mayberry, and then introduce the next 10000 MINUTES Experiment.
Music (Roar) in this episode by Tim Timmons from the album HERE
--------------------
JOIN us as we join Jesus all week long:
2 Free Encouraging TEXT MESSAGES that go with our Experiment
SIGNUP for the 10000 MINUTES newsletter and receive a FREE E-Book
“30 PRACTICES TO HELP YOU JOIN JESUS IN THE DAY-TO-DAY”
Tim (00:00):
Hey everybody. Thank you so much for checking out this 10000 MINUTES Experiment podcast. Super grateful for that. And I hope it's actually helpful for you. So if it is, would you please like this or subscribe to it or even rate it unless it's a bad rating, then don't rate just subscribe or just dislike? No. Well, if you don't like it just don't worry about it. And just to give you a quick order of this podcast, just so you know how we're going to start doing these things, is the beginning it starts off, it's just dumbness. It's just us being totally dumb with our guest and I like humor and maybe it's not funny to you, but it's really funny to me. So enjoy it or don't, or just skip forward a little bit and we will start the recap of the practice or the experiment for the week and just see how it went.
Tim (00:41):
And then after that there's some more dumbness. Then we do this 10000 questions for the guests that we have, and that's always fun and just funny for me. By the way, this week's guest is Jason Ingram. Now, if you've ever sung any song in any kind of church gathering, you have sung one or 8000 of Jason's songs. His thumbprint, his heart is all over the radio and all over the songs that we sing as a church. So I am really excited to have Jason here and he's also a great friend and an incredible man. So with a few minutes that we had with Jason, I think you will see why I love him so much. And then last part is just this pre-conversation for this next week's experiment. It's really just the conversation around the hypothesis of how we think this thing will go. So I hope you enjoy this next 10000 minute experiment.
Tim (01:24):
Hey everybody. This is Tim Timmons and this is 10000 Minutes experiment. Shoot, I almost have experience.
Emmoe (01:33):
I know.
Tim (01:34):
They're both [crosstalk 00:01:35].
Emmoe (01:34):
Yeah, they can be both things.
Tim (01:36):
And we have a few great humans in the room. So we've got Moe over here.
Emmoe (01:41):
Hello.
Tim (01:42):
Again, we've got Chris Cleveland over here.
Chris (01:44):
Hello.
Tim (01:45):
He's on my left, if that makes sense to anybody who's listening. And then we've got a special guest. This is Jason Ingram, everybody.
Jason (01:52):
Hello.
Emmoe (01:53):
Welcome.
Jason (01:53):
Thanks.
Chris (01:54):
I wore my best black on black for Jason [crosstalk 00:01:57].
Tim (01:56):
You did?
Jason (01:57):
Yeah. It's-
Chris (01:58):
It's the wardrobe.
Jason (01:59):
It is the wardrobe.
Chris (02:00):
It's fine.
Jason (02:01):
It is. My kids have never seen their dad in anything other than black.
Tim (02:05):
Oh my gosh.
Jason (02:07):
[Crosstalk 00:02:07] shoes and hats sometimes can change, but I tried a white T-shirt on once about five years ago and they just, everyone was belly laughing.
Emmoe (02:18):
No.
Jason (02:18):
They never saw-
Tim (02:18):
That's not a good thing.
Jason (02:18):
I know.
Chris (02:20):
What about like bathing suits? Are bathing suits black too?
Jason (02:22):
No, I do [crosstalk 00:02:23]. Bathing suits do get-
Tim (02:25):
They've seen some birthday suits.
Jason (02:26):
They've seen some colors. No.
Tim (02:27):
Did this get awkward? Real quick.
Jason (02:30):
No.
Tim (02:30):
Okay.
Tim (02:32):
That is a question because, gosh, I guess they've seen their dad. And some people are like, man, I remember seeing that and it scarred me. So I know I've scarred my kids with the whole birthday suit thing. Do you want to go into that at all, because that's what we want to talk about today.
Jason (02:46):
I don't think... You've got some boys, I've just got two daughters.
Tim (02:50):
Right.
Jason (02:50):
I've tried to steer clear of the birthday suit.
Tim (02:53):
That's so good. Yeah. My poor daughters.
Tim (02:58):
So anyways, that's what we're going to talk about, just trauma today.
Jason (03:02):
Perfect.
Tim (03:03):
Chris, how free are you?
Chris (03:05):
What?
Tim (03:05):
How free are you?
Chris (03:06):
Oh, fairly free. Yeah. Great.
Jason (03:11):
Oh God.
Tim (03:11):
It turns.
Chris (03:11):
It could turn. I can't even respond.
Tim (03:14):
There was a day when it turned for my daughter.
Chris (03:16):
Yeah. I feel like our kids are eight, six and four. And so it's gotten to the point where I'm like, "Oh"... We would shower.
Tim (03:24):
Yeah.
Chris (03:24):
And-
Tim (03:25):
Yeah.
Chris (03:25):
You can judge me, whatever you want. It's like, if you're taking a shower, you get a child with you most of the time in our house.
Tim (03:31):
Totally. Yeah, it's a part of you.
Chris (03:32):
Because it's the quickest and easiest way to bathe.
Tim (03:36):
Yeah.
Chris (03:36):
So... But there's a day recently when I was like, "I think we've hit the moment", six years old is probably my checkout time.
Tim (03:44):
Yeah. I said that 18 years old is the checkout time. So it's really, it's going great in my house.
Chris (03:51):
Probably a few off.
Tim (03:53):
J slash K everybody. Any who.
Emmoe (03:56):
What was the question?
Tim (03:57):
Oh yeah. This is 10000 Minutes Experiment.
Emmoe (04:00):
That's right.
Tim (04:01):
And experience. Okay. So we're going to go through what we practiced this past week and we brought Jason on because we're doing this off of the song that we wrote together.
Chris (04:10):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Tim (04:11):
It's called no other gods. If you haven't heard it, please go listen, check it out. That's not the point here, but why we wrote that song and I remember coming your studio and something had just hit me. I had just spoken on this idea of worship, that it's worship... The best way to see worship is what I give my attention to. That is almost a definition for worship. It just hit me, that is so profound and that I worship all these other gods all the time. And God's saying don't worship these other gods because they simply don't work Tim. Not because I just want you to be this uber cool religious guy, but man they just don't work.
Tim (04:49):
And so I remember coming in with that idea and then we just started riffing on that and wrote this prayer that we just listened to. And it's, I mean, everybody was crying in this room process.
Emmoe (05:02):
Mm-hmm (affirmative). Still processing.
Tim (05:03):
Yeah. So still processing a little bit?
Emmoe (05:03):
Yes.
Chris (05:04):
Yeah.
Tim (05:04):
Good.
Emmoe (05:05):
Moved.
Tim (05:05):
Good. So that's the recap. So the practice this past week or the experiment if you will, was to breathe in Jesus, breathe out you have my attention. So we practiced that. Most of us practice that Jason, I just told him about it, so poor guy's like, "What are we doing today?".
Jason (05:22):
I had it for a day and I did this last 24 hours.
Tim (05:26):
Well, you can use it for a day. It's going to be powerful. Okay. So let's jump into it. So how'd it go? Anybody have any thoughts on what you saw, what you learned? What happened?
Chris (05:37):
Moe go for it.
Emmoe (05:39):
Dang me?
Tim (05:40):
Yeah.
Chris (05:40):
Ladies first.
Tim (05:41):
Ladies first.
Emmoe (05:41):
I appreciate that. Table of gentlemen.
Chris (05:44):
Yep.
Chris (05:44):
Did it work and why did it work and how did it work?
Emmoe (05:47):
I think it gave me a lot of awareness of where my attention goes to. And I think a lot of it is towards myself. I think that was a hard thing to accept this week. Because when you're breathing in Jesus, breathing out you have my attention, you're pausing for the moment.
Tim (06:03):
Yeah.
Emmoe (06:04):
And I realize I don't pause throughout my day. Like I just go on to the next thing and I carry whatever I was thinking about myself before my last job to the next job. And it was really hard for me to accept that even though I'm pausing to give Jesus my attention, like his attention is always on me. So it's a very humbling week to say the least of just taking moments to acknowledge who I am through his eyes instead of who I'm trying to be every day with where my attention's at. Which is how productive I was that day or how social I was or how kind I was.
Tim (06:43):
How did that change the way that you saw those things?
Emmoe (06:46):
I think the idea of self-sufficiency, I never thought that would be a God that I would follow for myself. But I think the idea of I could be complete by self, I think was undone this week where I'm like, "I always come up short if I really am always paying attention to myself". So I think it just changed the way I see how God's always completing me in everything I do throughout the day.
Tim (07:11):
Love that. I got a pretty amazing text this week from Chris.
Emmoe (07:16):
Perfect.
Tim (07:16):
It had some strong words in it.
Chris (07:20):
It did have some strong words.
Tim (07:21):
Yeah.
Chris (07:21):
I was coming back from the studio, East Nashville, going down to Franklin. And the beautiful thing is, is the world is opening up a little bit more.
Tim (07:31):
Yeah.
Chris (07:31):
There's finally traffic again.
Tim (07:33):
Yeah.
Chris (07:33):
And I've been driving a year-
Tim (07:36):
You're celebrating that?
Chris (07:36):
Takes me 29 minutes door to door.
Tim (07:38):
Yeah.
Chris (07:39):
It's taken 45, 50 now. So people are getting back out. That's something to celebrate. But I'm trying to get on like whatever the loop thing is, I can't remember what highway it is I still don't know the names yet.
Tim (07:50):
Yeah.
Chris (07:50):
And this car just parks. And I mean right in front of me, I'm trying to get on the highway. And so of course I put the pedal to the floor ripping around this guy, calling him some real choice words out loud, just my vibe. And then mid-sentence, I just get Tim's face in my head saying, "Breath in Jesus, you have my attention", and I just started cracking up laughing. Just laughing out loud in my car and I was like, "You're so stupid", in this moment.
Tim (08:26):
Me? That I'm so stupid?
Chris (08:27):
Yeah. It was mainly that.
Tim (08:30):
Get out of my head.
Chris (08:31):
Yeah. But it was just in that moment thinking, "Oh gosh, how silly?", and being aware of this and how cliche am at the same time. But I just had to text him immediately. I was like, "Yeah, I can't even cuss at people on the highway anymore".
Tim (08:47):
Well you totally can. I mean it's just a matter of doing it with Jesus.
Chris (08:52):
Yeah. I guess-
Tim (08:52):
Instead of-
Chris (08:53):
If he's riding shotgun, sit in the passenger seat. Maybe we can go together. So yeah, I felt stupid. But really for me, this was an interesting week. Like you, I think it just gave me some perspective of where I'm spending my time. I mentioned in the other thing, it's a moment of shame every Sunday when my phone gives me my download of the week and my average hours on there. And I try to think, "Well, I had GPS on for 45 minutes today", or so... trying to give myself some excuse.
Chris (09:27):
So one thing I did was when I get home, I just put my phone on the charger on the desk. And then I'm a serial book buyer.
Tim (09:37):
I did not know that about you.
Emmoe (09:38):
My people, yes.
Chris (09:39):
Like if somebody's like, "Oh, I heard about this or I read this book it was awesome", I will buy that book right then.
Tim (09:44):
Yeah.
Emmoe (09:44):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Chris (09:45):
I will never read it, but I will buy it. So I had gotten a book in and I read it in two days. So all the time that I was spending looking at my phone or doing something else, I redirected that. It was weird how much better it made me feel and more connected in a way to what was going on in present.
Chris (10:05):
And then for me too, I think what it allowed me to do a little bit this week in those moments, putting my kids to bed or these really insignificant daily things being like, "Oh gosh, this is heaven and Jesus is with us and this is the point of all of it". And so there were some really just neat moments. All that does is like help you be aware of them. And for me I'm just cruising. I'm on autopilot so much that I'm missing a lot of things because my head is just somewhere else.
Tim (10:38):
So how does that correlate with Jesus having your attention? So-
Chris (10:41):
I don't know.
Tim (10:42):
No. I love it. I think it completely does. I would probably normally think that just means I need to be praying and just focusing on Jesus.
Chris (10:49):
Uh-huh (affirmative).
Tim (10:49):
But "Jesus you have my attention", it sounds like actually has a bigger implication in your life than just focusing on Jesus. Just being aware of what I have, what he's given me.
Chris (11:00):
Yeah. Okay. Because what is Jesus, at some point? I feel like, don't hate me for this, but it's like I can think about Jesus and what he did for about 15 seconds and I've got the gist.
Tim (11:12):
Yep.
Chris (11:12):
Right? So what did that afford me and what does that mean today in life and how I live my life. So when I think about all of that and salvation and heaven and hell and all of these things, and even the words that Jesus spoke, it's like he was talking a lot about making the most out of your life and treating the people around you with love and loving your neighbor as yourself. All of these things, so many of his messages were about "right now, wake up". And so I think it's a little bit more of taking the mind of Christ as opposed to just thinking about how cool he was. What would he be paying attention to, if he were here with me? Rather than me just thinking about Jesus all day, if that makes any sense.
Tim (12:01):
Totally. Did anybody feel like you did this for Jesus instead of with him?
Chris (12:05):
Hmm.
Jason (12:08):
I think to me that's the... The 'with' thing is the invitation in it all. I was, so you sent me the exercise yesterday and I'm like, "What does attention mean?", so I just Googled a little bit and I've read this quote that says, "Whatever has your attention has you?". And I was like, "Oh man, that's really powerful". And then piggybacking on what Chris was saying, so then I went on this monkey trail of what are all the things that have our attention right now? And social media is a big one. And the average person will spend, when you add up the amount of time in a week that you spend on social media, you'll lose... it's over five years of your life.
Tim (12:51):
Oh my gosh.
Jason (12:52):
That you invest in this very silly thing that accomplishes nothing. And so I think the exercise of saying whatever has my attention will have me, it owns you. So to be a servant of Christ is to be mindful of the things that we're giving our attention to and then ask is this owning me? And if it is, then we need to put it in check and say, "Jesus, I want you to own me. I want you to own this time. I want to submit to what you have for me in this". And I think the invitation is 'with'. So for the day I had it, I tried Jesus and say, "You have my attention", so if I was... I had a co-write yesterday. So I was like, "Jesus, help me to see the moments in these next few hours that I can love well, or I can represent you well, or just simply find the satisfaction of realizing the creative process, the joy of it". It's like sit in the moment and go like, "Wow, that's a presence of Jesus in my life".
Tim (13:56):
How would yesterday have been different from the day before?
Jason (13:59):
Just intentionality. That's what I love about you giving exercises, because... I love this an exercise quote, but nothing changes if nothing changes. It's so easy to just let life happen and us just be on the slide. But order to follow Jesus and to do life with him, things have to change. And there's a constant taking up the cross, which is sounds grand but I think just really, that's just always looking for those spaces in your life where there's something that has your attention that is a distraction.
Jason (14:34):
You talk about worship. I've always of the... I've heard the pastor say one time that whatever has your awe will have your worship. And a lot of things will have our awe. Fears is a synonym for awe. So things that you're afraid of, you stand in awe of them and those things will have your worship. And so just a constant re-centering. Just the discipline of looking at my day and going, "What are the things that have my attention", and practicing the presence of Jesus. A way to just invite him into every moment.
Tim (15:05):
Okay. So I just want us to pull back for one second, even just to take in some of the genius that Jason and just threw down. And sometimes we get so fast at moving through it and listening to it that we forget to actually put it into practice into our own story.
Tim (15:19):
Jason said a few things. He said, "Nothing changes if nothing changes", think about that in your own life. Sometimes calamity in these things that come in our lives are actually gifts because they begin the change process us. And sometimes it's actually up to us to say, "You know what, I'm going to actually change this rhythm of my life and put this new rhythm into my life". That's part of the point of 10000 Minutes is actually changing the rhythms every week so that we can actually be more aware of Jesus and give more our attention to Jesus.
Tim (15:47):
The other thing he said was, "Whatever has your awe, has your worship". So the word awe meaning fear and trembling. Whether that's fear as in worry or whether that's fear as in reverence, whatever has your awe has your worship. That's profound if you think about it. And then on the other side of that, whatever has your worship or whatever has your attention, has you. I don't know, just take a about that. Whatever has your attention has you. Is that true in your life? How have you seen that? What has your attention in this season?
Tim (16:30):
Yeah, I think these practices are so helpful for me personally, just because it takes me out of my normal mode. It disrupts, there's no change without some disruption. Whether me getting cancer, that changed me. That is disruption. You getting cut off the other day or me getting cut off this week. That is a disruption that I can disrupt my normal thing of being angry about that with a practice, with a centering on Jesus. That' what's been so helpful. So even for me this week, I think my main ones that hit me, and I love just being aware of Jesus this week, I think I just forget. I mean I do this, this is what I do. I want to follow Jesus, like we all do, but I just keep forgetting. So this week was so helpful just to put this into practice. Jesus, I'm just aware of you today.
Tim (17:18):
And I think with my kids, I had some legit hard conversations with my kids this week. Just some awesome moments and some bad dad moments. I think there are so much more to be revealed in me as I was parenting, trying to parent that I was like, "Okay, Jesus, you have my attention", in the middle of this when I'm off at my kids right now, they're being so stupid. And yet what is this in me? What's it revealing in my heart that you might want to look into and help heal some of these areas. So that was really helpful for me this week.
Tim (17:52):
Paul and Barnabas, when they're in Lystra in Acts 14, they say, "We're bringing you the good news of the kingdom of God, because the kingdom's available", that's the gospel, that's the good news, "telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God." And I just kept thinking about the worthless things that I put so much of my attention to. So for me, I know land in my area. Like I know all the land that's for sale because I just have this dream.
Chris (18:17):
We've talked about this.
Tim (18:18):
Yeah, we have. Gosh, I end up looking at how much time I put into-
Chris (18:23):
Cruising and Zillow.
Tim (18:23):
Yeah. I'm just... I'm hanging out me and Zillow. And it's great. What a great thing to do at times, just not all the time. Do you guys have any dumb things or big things that you would almost deem as worthless things?
Chris (18:38):
I have so many of those. So many. That's why I'm embarrassed about my phone count at the end of the-
Tim (18:43):
No, come on. Everybody listening will have just as many.
Chris (18:45):
I do the lay in, I do houses. I'm obsessed with them. The first thing I do is get on Zillow. I do this when I go to people's houses too. I'm like, "How much money do you spend on your house?", and it's almost an addiction. I just have to know.
Chris (18:58):
But I go to these towns and in my mind I'm like, "if I ever do something illegal I can disappear in Galva, Illinois".
Tim (19:06):
That's what you said.
Chris (19:08):
You know what I mean? $76,000 will buy a 4000 square foot house built in 1920, it's beautiful. It'd be like $5 million in downtown Franklin. Galva, Illinois, I guess I can't go there. But I have 70 more of those places. I have too many of those things to count. I waste my life on insignificant crap most of the time.
Tim (19:29):
Moe what do you got?
Emmoe (19:31):
Worthless? Um.
Tim (19:33):
I mean these might be fine things it's just-
Emmoe (19:36):
Yeah.
Tim (19:37):
Instead of being aware of Jesus.
Emmoe (19:39):
Gosh, I wish I had something silly, but I really am like so aware of my perfectionism. I think I'm just like, "Man". I know we're all caught in that trap, but I realized a lot that I spend a lot of time perfecting everything. So throughout my day I'm always cleaning and I'm always reorganizing and I'm always remaking and rewriting a list and rewriting my dreams and rewriting my work day. And it's like the need to constantly be finally locked in and ready to go is something I just like, "Man, I spent so much time prepping for perfectionism".
Chris (20:15):
Does it ever end?
Emmoe (20:16):
No. I think this week was disrupted for sure and I got to enjoy the things I get to do this week, but it's like crunching numbers like I'm an accountant for my life.
Chris (20:30):
If you have something that is a win, do you celebrate it?
Tim (20:34):
That's a great question.
Chris (20:35):
Or is it just onto the next thing?
Emmoe (20:37):
I move on to the next thing. I think it's expected for me. I'm like, "Okay, that was supposed to be done".
Chris (20:44):
Yeah.
Emmoe (20:45):
But that took two hours.
Chris (20:47):
Yes.
Emmoe (20:48):
But it's just interesting to know I measure my time a lot. And so I thought, I think I came in thinking, "Oh, this is going to be easy because I already know where my attention goes", but then I didn't realize the motive. The attention of my motive was to just have the perfect day every day. So I don't have to yield my attention.
Tim (21:12):
That's good.
Chris (21:13):
Three kids never let you have the perfect day. I wanted to get up and take a shower this morning.
Tim (21:18):
Yeah. You looked terrible.
Chris (21:19):
Thanks.
Tim (21:20):
Yeah.
Chris (21:21):
Just didn't happen. You don't do anything the same once they start running in and being crazy.
Tim (21:27):
So that's the main point of this you guys, do not have children.
Chris (21:30):
Yeah. I wish I could have more.
Tim (21:33):
Well, you guys thank you for jumping into this. And if you are hearing this for the first time, please jump into that experience. Gosh, I keep saying experience into that experiment with us. And Jason now you get to do it for another week, because you only had one day.
Jason (21:49):
Yeah. You're right.
Tim (21:50):
Breathing in Jesus, breathing out you have my attention. So we're going to move on to a quick little speed round for you.
Jason (21:57):
Oh you didn't tell me that was coming.
Emmoe (22:00):
Hot seat.
Tim (22:00):
Yeah we got a-
Jason (22:04):
Shoot. That's called being jooped right there.
Tim (22:09):
Okay. This is a speed up. Speed round.
Jason (22:11):
Oh no.
Tim (22:12):
We got four minutes.
Jason (22:13):
He didn't tell me this was happening.
Tim (22:16):
Okay Jason.
Jason (22:17):
Yeah.
Tim (22:17):
And everybody else please mock. Go right in and mock. So we've got a few speed around questions and this is what we like to call fun.
Tim (22:24):
Okay. So if you could have an unlimited storage of one thing, what would it be?
Jason (22:28):
Hmm, black T-shirts.
Tim (22:31):
Gosh. That's-
Chris (22:32):
I thought he was going to say hit songs, but he already has that.
Tim (22:36):
I thought you said hit socks. Okay.
Tim (22:40):
What's the first word that comes to your mind now? Go.
Jason (22:43):
I don't... shoot is the word that came to my mind and I didn't want to say it.
Emmoe (22:47):
So good.
Tim (22:50):
That's really strong. That's that was so clean too. Well, you're a holy man. Unless you filtered. Okay.
Tim (22:57):
When I dance I look like, that's you saying it?
Jason (23:00):
Oh.
Tim (23:01):
Not me.
Jason (23:01):
Oh man.
Tim (23:02):
When you dance, you look like?
Jason (23:03):
I don't dance.
Tim (23:04):
Exactly. So what would you look like?
Jason (23:06):
A fool?
Tim (23:07):
I love that. We'll just keep that.
Jason (23:13):
I don't-
Chris (23:13):
Just no other description.
Jason (23:14):
Yeah. I know.
Chris (23:16):
Just is that.
Jason (23:16):
I do dance sometimes. I don't know, but it's not pretty.
Tim (23:20):
What would Culley say? Does she enjoy the Jason dance?
Jason (23:24):
Yeah. I think everyone enjoys it. Yeah, but it's not... But it's at my expense.
Tim (23:29):
Yes. Okay. Back to the birthday suit. Would you ever, no I'm just kidding. Okay. All right.
Tim (23:34):
What annoys you?
Jason (23:39):
Uh.
Tim (23:40):
White shirts.
Jason (23:41):
Uh. People's opinions.
Tim (23:47):
Gosh, I want to dive so deep into that.
Emmoe (23:49):
I know I was like let's dive deep.
Tim (23:52):
Okay. What are you afraid of?
Jason (23:54):
Heights.
Tim (23:54):
Heights.
Jason (23:56):
And I climbed-
Tim (23:57):
That's right.
Jason (23:59):
Mount Rainier a year and a half ago. Just to try to deal with that.
Tim (24:03):
How'd that work?
Jason (24:04):
It was terrible, but it was a real exercise and pushing past things that you're afraid of.
Emmoe (24:10):
Wow.
Tim (24:10):
Can you tell us a joke? Do you have a joke?
Jason (24:12):
No. No, I don't. I don't have a joke.
Tim (24:15):
I don't know any jokes.
Jason (24:16):
I don't. Okay good.
Tim (24:17):
You're doing great. Some people just have jokes in their back pocket.
Jason (24:21):
I don't.
Tim (24:22):
What's the first thing you do when you get up in the morning?
Jason (24:25):
I make coffee for my wife and I.
Chris (24:28):
Gosh, so giving.
Tim (24:30):
So giving.
Chris (24:30):
That's a love language in our house.
Tim (24:32):
It is, my wife-
Chris (24:33):
I don't drink coffee, but if I really want my wife to love me that day I'll make her a coffee.
Jason (24:37):
Yeah. It's seven days a week for years.
Chris (24:42):
Gosh.
Jason (24:43):
It's kind of expected, but it's something I go make it. I drink a glass of water and then it brews and then I get us a cup of coffee each, and then chat for 20 minutes and get going.
Tim (24:53):
Gosh, that's the way to make out. That's perfect.
Chris (24:56):
Love it.
Tim (24:57):
What will you never do? Don't say this podcast again.
Jason (25:00):
Oh, gosh. Respond to Tim Timmons.
Jason (25:10):
What will I never do?
Tim (25:11):
What will you never do?
Jason (25:12):
I will never sky dive.
Tim (25:14):
Gosh. As far as you know. What if that's the next-
Jason (25:17):
Bungee jump. No, that's it. I'd I'd rather sky dive than bungee jump. I will never bungee jump
Tim (25:23):
Just because there's no...?
Jason (25:25):
I just can't.
Chris (25:26):
I'm with you man. There's some things you're just like, "Hmm, I don't know".
Jason (25:27):
Risk, reward.
Chris (25:33):
Who set this up? I want a full background check. I don't know.
Tim (25:35):
I had a dream two nights ago that I bungee jumped. I haven't had that in a long time.
Chris (25:40):
I could see that dream.
Tim (25:43):
I don't think I peed my bed. I don't think, maybe a little bit of dribble, but the... It's scary.
Jason (25:48):
Yeah. Not going to happen.
Emmoe (25:50):
Uh-uh (negative).
Chris (25:52):
I would get scared in high rises, by the windows.
Jason (25:55):
Oh yeah.
Chris (25:56):
I would have to get on the floor, for real.
Jason (25:58):
Yeah, same.
Chris (25:59):
But then I'd want to feel a little bit?
Tim (26:00):
Prostate.
Chris (26:00):
Yeah. I want to feel the tingle just a little.
Emmoe (26:03):
Oh no.
Chris (26:03):
So on the floor just peek over. It's just weird. It's like microdosing.
Tim (26:08):
We had a little dumb bit last week that he paused before he said, "prostrate", on the ground. And I knew exactly why he paused because I was thinking, "Oh gosh, every time I say it I'm scared I'm going to say prosthate or prosperate".
Chris (26:18):
And we took it way too long.
Tim (26:21):
Yeah. And we're going to keep going, every week.
Chris (26:22):
It was like 11 minutes of-
Tim (26:24):
Yeah.
Chris (26:24):
Yeah.
Tim (26:25):
And the last question, what's your most recent moral of failure?
Jason (26:29):
Goodness gracious.
Tim (26:30):
Just kidding.
Tim (26:35):
Jason, thanks for being on with us.
Jason (26:36):
I was going to answer too.
Tim (26:36):
Okay.
Jason (26:36):
Thanks for having me. This is really fun.
Tim (26:46):
Good.
Jason (26:46):
Love it.
Tim (26:47):
Good.
Tim (26:51):
Okay. So that concludes the first section of this podcast, where we talked about how the experiment actually went. And now we're going to jump into what this next week's experiment is and what it would look like for us to actually put this next experiment into practice. And by the way, if you guys want to get free text messages during the week to encourage you with this practice, text 10K, 1-0-K to the number 5-5-6-7-8. So put in one-zero-K in the subject and then text to the number 5-5-6-7-8 and I'll send you a few encouraging texts. And if you want to jump past the banter which we do, which I actually think is very funny, just jump ahead a few minutes.
Chris (27:30):
Jason Ingram, what's your most recent moral failure?
Tim (27:34):
It's just one of my favorite questions ever.
Chris (27:36):
It's really good.
Emmoe (27:36):
And he thought about it.
Tim (27:40):
Yeah. I used to do that question... I used to work with students and so I'd have a group of students and little Johnny would walk in late and go, "Hey man, so we're just going finishing up with our most recent moral failures. Why don't you just jump on in?"
Emmoe (27:54):
Scary.
Tim (27:54):
Was like, "Well, last night-"-
Emmoe (28:01):
No.
Tim (28:01):
Blah-blah-blah.
Tim (28:01):
So it just I'm sure I'll ask that question 800 times on this podcast, because it's just so good and disarming and terrible.
Chris (28:08):
It is. It's all those things. I love it.
Tim (28:12):
Gosh. I was going to say when you dance what do you look like, but you're a dancer.
Chris (28:15):
No.
Tim (28:16):
Yeah. I can see you being a dancer.
Chris (28:17):
Uh-uh (negative). I'm not.
Tim (28:18):
Do you dance in your concerts?
Chris (28:20):
Never. I mean maybe if you feel a beat, but you can tell by me just doing that, that I can't dance.
Emmoe (28:27):
Yeah. Show us.
Tim (28:27):
Yes.
Emmoe (28:28):
But are you like the wedding man though? Are you a dancer at the wedding?
Chris (28:32):
It gets out of control. It depends on the scenario and what else is involved?
Tim (28:39):
Yes. Understood.
Chris (28:41):
But then I might... I can vividly remember this event that we did and it was free wine. It was an auction. I was playing the music and the way they did it, everybody had wine glasses whatever, but you didn't know how much you had consumed because the waiters would be right behind you every drink.
Tim (29:01):
Oh gosh. Yep.
Chris (29:02):
Right.
Tim (29:02):
Danger.
Chris (29:04):
I wound up on top of the table and bought this vacation to The Bahamas or somewhere that I never used. I essentially took-
Emmoe (29:14):
No.
Chris (29:15):
I gave them back all the money that they had given me to come play. And one of my friends sent me the video of it.
Tim (29:22):
Oh my gosh. That's not fair.
Chris (29:25):
[Crosstalk 00:29:25]. It made me laugh so hard. It was so funny. See that's the type of thing, I get loud and weird.
Tim (29:32):
Yeah.
Chris (29:34):
[Inaudible 00:29:34] person. Not somebody I'd want to hang out with.
Tim (29:38):
That's true. Totally true. You're a dancer Moe.
Emmoe (29:40):
I'm a dancer.
Tim (29:41):
Like you're taking dance classes right now.
Emmoe (29:44):
I don't take dance classes.
Tim (29:46):
Didn't you just say you did like a-
Emmoe (29:46):
I like to dance every day.
Tim (29:48):
That's right.
Chris (29:48):
Okay.
Emmoe (29:49):
But that's free flow, blinds are down, no one look at me dancing. But in my teens I loved hip hop.
Chris (29:57):
Wow.
Emmoe (29:58):
And so I did a lot of that, but I didn't professionally dance.
Tim (30:01):
I know. But you dance every day. Is that your workout?
Emmoe (30:04):
It's one of them. Yes.
Tim (30:06):
Gosh.
Chris (30:06):
Do you work up a sweat?
Emmoe (30:08):
Yes.
Chris (30:08):
Or is it like the Ellen dance.
Tim (30:09):
"Cause she's a maniac, a maniac".
Emmoe (30:10):
That's why the blinds are down. Because I'm like, "We're about to go hard at T-Pain". Blinds down.
Chris (30:14):
That's amazing.
Emmoe (30:15):
But it's fun. I'll do 45 minutes of that.
Tim (30:18):
Okay. Does your roommate every walk in on you?
Emmoe (30:21):
Yes. Many times. So the new thing is-
Tim (30:23):
Do you feel awkward about that or is that-
Emmoe (30:25):
Well we fixed it.
Tim (30:27):
Okay.
Emmoe (30:27):
Because we both have apple watches. So she'll walkie me like, "Hey, I'm like five minutes away", I'm like, "Praise". Okay? Acts of service, thank you.
Tim (30:35):
Yes.
Chris (30:36):
Yeah. Usually that's to make sure you're not doing something weird. Your case is so I'm not dancing. Yeah.
Emmoe (30:42):
I mean I'm going pretty hard you guys, I don't know about you but it's like-
Chris (30:46):
It's like a put your pants on text, but this is like stop dancing. You know?
Emmoe (30:52):
Yeah. So it's a rule. So she knows she has to let me know when she's on her way home, because I could be dancing at any moment.
Tim (30:58):
Oh my gosh.
Chris (30:58):
That's amazing.
Tim (30:58):
Gosh, that's an awkward, great moment right there.
Chris (31:02):
I love that.
Emmoe (31:02):
I know. Wait, are you a dancer Tim?
Tim (31:05):
I-
Chris (31:06):
I could see you shimmy.
Tim (31:07):
Well, I don't want to brag. I think I can dance, but I don't dance.
Emmoe (31:13):
Hmm.
Tim (31:13):
And maybe there's something deeper here that we need to talk about. But I think it's... When people are really, when they dance they're serious. It's the biting of the lip.
Chris (31:24):
Yeah.
Tim (31:24):
And there's somehow, it's like, "This is cool. What I'm doing right here is cool".
Emmoe (31:31):
Yeah.
Tim (31:32):
And I just have a hard time being that serious.
Chris (31:35):
You can't take it that seriously.
Tim (31:37):
Yeah. And so if I do it-
Chris (31:38):
I feel like dancing is a frame of mind.
Tim (31:39):
Gosh.
Chris (31:40):
You know?
Tim (31:42):
Put that on a T-shirt.
Chris (31:44):
May as well.
Emmoe (31:44):
That's our merch.
Chris (31:45):
Yeah, there you go.
Tim (31:45):
Gosh.
Chris (31:46):
Dancing is a frame of mind.
Emmoe (31:47):
10000 Minutes. Breathe in.
Chris (31:48):
Let's go.
Tim (31:49):
Dancing is a peace of mind? What'd you say?
Chris (31:52):
Frame of mind.
Tim (31:52):
That's what I said.
Chris (31:52):
Frame of mind?
Tim (31:53):
Frame of mind. You obviously didn't hear me.
Chris (31:56):
Like a plate of pizza? Pizza mind?
Emmoe (31:58):
It's a silent P.
Tim (32:01):
Dancing is a plate of pizza?
Chris (32:02):
Sure. We can get there. It's like, what are the... Are they euphemisms? They're sayings-
Tim (32:08):
Onomatopoeia.
Chris (32:10):
I always get them wrong. I'll be close enough that people are like, "Okay", they move on with it. But it happens daily. And I will say or I'll say an actor's name, but it'll be so close, but it's the wrong person but everybody knows. It's a running inside thing between my wife and I, because it's every day I say something wrong.
Tim (32:34):
Yes.
Chris (32:35):
So dancing is a plate of pizza.
Tim (32:37):
It hurts my, so I want to get real right now, "is a plate of pizza". Gosh, it's strong. My wife has corrected me for years in those because she's awesome. She has them all down. Like a plate of pizza, you know what I mean? She's got no doubt. Is that right?
Chris (32:50):
Locked and loaded.
Emmoe (32:50):
Every slice.
Chris (32:51):
Yeah.
Tim (32:51):
Onomatopoeia?
Emmoe (32:51):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Tim (32:52):
But she has always corrected me and I'm always like, "That's fine, it's fine. I-".
Chris (32:56):
So you knew what I meant.
Tim (32:57):
Yeah, I had it. I think I'm right actually. Yeah. Six in the hand is better than four in the Bush. That's what I always say. That's what Jesus said in Acts 3, right?
Chris (33:10):
It's divisible by two.
Tim (33:11):
Yeah.
Chris (33:12):
So it's fine.
Tim (33:13):
Yeah.
Chris (33:13):
You can get down.
Emmoe (33:14):
Just carry over the one and yes.
Tim (33:17):
Okay.
Chris (33:18):
It's technically the same.
Tim (33:19):
Okay. So welcome back. Moe.
Emmoe (33:23):
Hello.
Tim (33:24):
Welcome back Christopher.
Chris (33:26):
What's up?
Tim (33:27):
What is up with you guys?
Chris (33:29):
I was going to try to mimic the same thing and then I just, it lost steam mid-breath.
Tim (33:34):
Hey, what is up with you guys? Sorry. That was real loud. Okay. So we are going into pre-experiment for this next week. So this is going to be what we're going to be talking about next week.
Chris (33:45):
Great.
Tim (33:45):
With a guest Patrick Mabry, who is a good buddy and he is very fun.
Chris (33:50):
Great accent.
Tim (33:50):
Different Mabry.
Chris (33:51):
Oh, it's a different one.
Tim (33:54):
Yeah.
Chris (33:54):
Okay.
Tim (33:54):
Patrick's... He might do an accent.
Chris (33:57):
I'm going to ask him just since I threw it out there already.
Tim (33:59):
Yeah.
Emmoe (34:00):
Yeah.
Chris (34:00):
Just to save like my personal embarrassment.
Emmoe (34:02):
That could be a hot seat question.
Tim (34:05):
What's your favorite accent to do?
Emmoe (34:07):
Yeah.
Chris (34:08):
Chris assumed he had an accent, could you just do one to appease him please? Thanks.
Tim (34:13):
Yeah. When he comes in, I'll have him just having an Australian accent or something.
Chris (34:17):
Yes. Going to be great.
Tim (34:18):
Hey mate.
Chris (34:19):
Yeah.
Tim (34:19):
Hey matey.
Chris (34:20):
I try really badly, I have a friend who's Australian and we talked on my birthday this week, it was awesome. But I can't not talk in an accent when I'm talking to him and we're close enough friends that he is not offended. I couldn't do that to just anybody. Although it has slipped out, like a greeter at Walmart or something, and I'm like, "Oh my God, what did I just do? This is so bad.". Anyways.
Tim (34:47):
I tried to do it on our walk yesterday. I was trying to be some, I don't even, forget who even was. Gosh, I was trying to do some accent and I realized midway, because I'm terrible at accents.
Emmoe (34:59):
Same.
Tim (35:00):
And sweet Chris was just, he just went along with it.
Chris (35:03):
I probably didn't notice one.
Emmoe (35:05):
He's like, "Just pretend it's not there".
Chris (35:05):
Also like-
Tim (35:06):
Are you tired? Are you winded, Tim?
Chris (35:07):
It could have been the hills. My accents are so bad that they get offensive and that's the problem. It's like, I catch myself, I'm like, "I think I've offended a whole-".
Tim (35:18):
Because are you trying to cuss in that-
Chris (35:19):
No, I just think people think I'm doing it on purpose. And I'm intentionally degrading their culture or something. And really I'm trying real hard, but I should just not at all.
Tim (35:33):
Yeah. You're going to get cancel cultured for sure.
Chris (35:36):
I think so.
Tim (35:37):
Gosh. Which is going to be a series that we're going to be doing pretty soon.
Chris (35:40):
Oh.
Emmoe (35:40):
Yeah. It's-
Chris (35:40):
That'll be interesting.
Emmoe (35:41):
Juicy.
Tim (35:42):
Yeah. Is that in a few weeks?
Emmoe (35:43):
Yeah.
Tim (35:43):
I don't know.
Emmoe (35:43):
In several weeks.
Tim (35:45):
Yeah. Anyways, it's going to be great.
Chris (35:46):
Can't wait.
Tim (35:47):
So we'll talk about your accent then.
Chris (35:49):
Perfect.
Emmoe (35:49):
I can't wait to cancel.
Tim (35:49):
Okay. So we're going to move into this pre-experiment. So what does worry, criticism, fear, shame feel like physically? If you think about the moment that you worry or that you are in anxiety or shame or fear, what does it physically feel like?
Tim (36:14):
Gosh, I was going to say stress, but stress isn't a feeling word.
Emmoe (36:18):
Hmm.
Tim (36:19):
When I'm worrying, I am so uptight. I become so uptight and anal toward everybody around me.
Emmoe (36:26):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Chris (36:27):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Tim (36:27):
Gosh, that is not a good feeling. I am so tight. I actually found this year, I don't know how maybe because I was stressed so much, but that I hold all of my stress in my gut.
Chris (36:38):
Huh?
Emmoe (36:39):
Ooh. Yeah.
Tim (36:39):
I'm always tight. You'd think I'd have really strong abs, but I don't. But that's where I hold all of my attention and my stress is in my gut. So I just feel tight. What about you guys?
Emmoe (36:50):
Ooh. Mine's like the back of my neck. The left side of the back of my neck.
Chris (36:55):
It's very specific.
Emmoe (36:56):
And I grind my teeth too.
Chris (36:57):
Oh.
Emmoe (36:57):
I can tell if my sleep just goes out the window.
Tim (37:01):
Do you grind your teeth during the day?
Emmoe (37:03):
No, but it's during the night I'll wake up just like ready to catch these hands. Like let's fight. I'm irritated because it's a new day.
Chris (37:14):
Oh man.
Emmoe (37:15):
That's how I know I'm worried. But, yeah, I always know. I'm like, "Ooh, I should be checking in on that because my neck is so tight".
Chris (37:22):
Uh-huh (affirmative).
Tim (37:23):
Yeah.
Chris (37:23):
Mine is all in my head, I feel like. Like-
Tim (37:26):
What part of your head?
Chris (37:26):
I can... The top general area.
Emmoe (37:31):
Where the head's at I guess.
Chris (37:35):
So stupid. I can go from, and maybe this is the musician artist thing in me, I can go from everything is great to immediately the world is falling apart in seconds. I mean really. To having this beautiful outlook to, "Oh my God, life is ending", and then that spirals into a lot of craziness.
Tim (38:01):
What are the things that, and this is for all us, that invite us to worry?
Chris (38:06):
The unknown or expectation that may not be met.
Tim (38:11):
From you or towards somebody else or toward yourself?
Chris (38:15):
Maybe both.
Tim (38:16):
Okay.
Chris (38:16):
My biggest one is probably that I've had to fight a lot as like providing. Especially as somebody who doesn't have a steady paycheck from anything but what I have to do. So there's a lot in that that can affect me because at the end game it's I don't make any money and provide for my family. And because I don't have shows and I don't have a song on the radio. That's where I wind up. And we're, I don't know, we moved back into my parents' house with my kids and my wife. Because I guess that's the worst case scenario in my head.
Tim (38:49):
Can I ask you a question?
Chris (38:50):
Yeah.
Tim (38:50):
And everybody, I asked this question of myself and I want everybody to ask the question of me as well. I ask you this question often as we're walking, but what does that reveal that you actually believe to be true about God? Not in your theology, if you're writing out this is what God is, but how your life is actually showing what you actually believe.
Chris (39:09):
Yep.
Tim (39:09):
What's that reveal?
Chris (39:10):
Yeah. It just means that he's not going to take care of me. Which has been... When you can break it down into those simple things, it's so hard to cut through the weeds and know that. And so that's been one of the biggest things that I've had to work through and then see. Actually step out in faith and see like, "Oh no, wow, you've actually provided for me through all this time".
Tim (39:35):
Yeah.When do you, you find yourself worrying?
Emmoe (39:37):
I think provision as well, because I'm single. I mean I have my parents, I love my parents, I live far away so it feels like everything lands on me. I have a brother who passed away. So I have expectations of being the best only kid left deal.
Emmoe (39:53):
So I have to provide and not just like minimum, I have to provide the best. And when I don't have those things, I'm just like, "I'm always alone. I always have to figure this out alone and I have this and this", so that's when my worry comes out. When things aren't stable and I don't have enough and more than enough just in case. That scarcity mindset just lingers. So I could be totally fine, I could be financially fine, I could be great in relationships, but if I don't feel like I have a backup of something, I start to worry. Like, "What do I do to just have plan C and plan D and plan E ready?".
Chris (40:31):
You keep moving the end zone further and further back.
Emmoe (40:34):
Yeah.
Chris (40:35):
Yeah.
Emmoe (40:35):
And this idea that like, "God doesn't have plan D and E and F for me", and the fact that he should, because plan A isn't enough right now.
Tim (40:45):
Right. By the way, I just gave him a fist pump because he used an onomatopoeia really well. He talked about the end zone, pushing it back. And I was like, "Dude".
Chris (40:55):
I had to think about it like mid...
Emmoe (40:58):
Like midfield.
Chris (40:59):
Because I almost said the end game. Or... There was a thought process.
Tim (41:04):
No. We could be the same human, which is so good.
Emmoe (41:07):
I love it.
Tim (41:08):
So when I nail one of those just-
Chris (41:10):
Perfect.
Tim (41:10):
So that hints-
Chris (41:11):
I'll clap. Just standing ovation.
Tim (41:14):
Yeah. Well put sir. Well done putting the pickle in the jar.
Chris (41:20):
You did it. Yes.
Emmoe (41:21):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Tim (41:21):
I just made that euphemism.
Chris (41:22):
I got it though. I was in it.
Tim (41:24):
Yeah. The onomatopoeia.
Tim (41:25):
Okay. So the other side of this is what does it feel like to pick up praise? So in my weeks, I'm quick to pick up worry. So for me, I was just thinking about my kids when they're being lame to each other, I literally go straight to worry. I pick up worry thinking, "Okay, they're going to be jerks for the rest of their lives". If he just hit him, I go down this whole train to the end of it thinking, "Oh my gosh, he's not going to have any friends because he is such a Jack".
Chris (41:59):
Yeah.
Emmoe (41:59):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Tim (42:01):
And I go all the way down the line with my worry. And so I literally all day long I'm finding myself picking up worry.
Tim (42:08):
And the idea of these practices is we get good at what we practice.
Chris (42:12):
Yeah.
Tim (42:12):
We will say that an awful lot. I will say that because it's just always coming through in my life where I get good at what I practice and I'm quick to pick up worry instead of picking up praise.
Chris (42:23):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Emmoe (42:23):
Yeah.
Tim (42:24):
This makes me think of the Second Chronicles story where Jehoshaphat, which is the best name, I mean I should've named-
Emmoe (42:34):
A solid rapper name.
Chris (42:35):
Surprised that it's not a rapper.
Emmoe (42:35):
Yeah, exactly. Mixed tapes on mixed tapes.
Tim (42:39):
Actually it does have a P-H, Jehoshaphat. I mean that's so-
Chris (42:42):
Started whole thing.
Tim (42:43):
Yeah.
Emmoe (42:45):
Wow.
Tim (42:45):
T-shirts. When he was leading and he had a good moment of being king and they were going in the battle with, I mean they had all these armies were around them surrounding them, and if you've been around you know this story, that God invites them to go out. Actually the singers and the choir basically, they go out ahead of the whole army, the Israel army, and just start singing, "God, you are good. Your love endures forever". You are good. Your love endures forever.
Tim (43:15):
That's what they led with. In the story all together, armies start fighting each other and Israel wins. And it made me think of what I lead with and what I'm picking up. Am I picking up weapons that I know how to use, which would be fear and worry, because those have gotten me to where I am and we can just say thank you fear and worry for getting me so far. But I don't need you anymore, you're not actually helpful for me anymore. Because I turn into a total jerk in my worry.
Chris (43:45):
Yeah.
Tim (43:46):
And I don't think that's beautiful. And again, no shame attached to that, but what would it be like for us to this week instead of picking up all these things, anger, fear, worry, condemning somebody, judgment, what if I picked up praise? And so what would that look like in your next week? With your family or your kids or work. Praising God all day is affirming his goodness, his power, and his nearness in the midst of our chaos and in the mundane, what would that look like?
Emmoe (44:18):
I think about what praise is doing is acknowledging how God is and how he's enough. And then the worry and the fear is assuming what's coming. And so I would think that it would pull me into the present and how enough is already present.
Tim (44:35):
So good.
Chris (44:35):
Right.
Emmoe (44:36):
And God is already here and I think the reason they're out there singing is because they're acknowledging what's already true. God is already our victory and with us and our defender. And so whatever result comes from it, that doesn't change who he is. And I think worry's like, "if I get that thing to change, everything will be restored". So I would assume my day would be pulling me to the moment and the minute instead of the weeks after and the months after. Like, "Okay, how, how do I organize this so I can be present", it's more of everything's chaos and in this moment, this very moment, I have enough to be here. To make it today, you know? That's what it makes me think of.
Tim (45:25):
Chris. What would that look like in your life? If you put that as your practice as experiment, what could that look like this week?
Chris (45:33):
I love how you just described that. I was listening to somebody talked the other day and I feel like this was a... Who's the guy who wrote like the screw tape letters and all that?
Tim (45:42):
C. S. Lewis.
Emmoe (45:42):
Yes.
Chris (45:42):
I know I'm supposed to be a better Christian.
Tim (45:44):
No. You're doing great. You're doing so great.
Emmoe (45:46):
You're failing.
Tim (45:46):
Yes.
Chris (45:46):
I think it was one of his quotes, so let's throw this out there, make me feel better.
Tim (45:50):
Yeah. When in doubt, use the C. S. Lewis quote.
Chris (45:52):
But it talked about heaven was in eternity meets now.
Tim (45:56):
Yes.
Chris (45:57):
And so I think there's something about being so secure that you're actually able to experience heaven in these moments that are right now, because we're not worried about all of those things that you said. And then I thought, what is it like if then we bring that to the people around us. So I'm thinking about my family and my kids and my wife and I'm leading with praise for them rather than being the voice. I feel with three little kids in our house, I told my wife this the other day, I was like, "God, all I'm saying is no". All I'm saying is don't do that, stop that, quit it, go to your room. And even if you're in a good mood, if you say that so much, you're just tired.
Chris (46:43):
This morning, by the time eight o'clock hit I'm like, "How many times have we told the kids like to quit doing whatever", the dogs are being crazy. It's like, can you lip that in some way and find the positive reinforcement in there that changes the whole mood of your house. And I'm very like surface level right now. Just thinking through like what that could look like.
Tim (47:08):
No. That's really powerful.
Emmoe (47:10):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Tim (47:10):
I mean even then... I love that. I haven't thought about that. Where when I praise somebody else, which means I'm affirming somebody else for something, I always think of that as just me and God, but it's like what you said earlier. It's actually even bigger because when I praise my kid in a sense, I'm actually praising the imago Dei of my kid. The God image of my kid, that my kid has the image of God in them. And so when I get to praise God, I'm actually then praising my kid, which is praising God too.
Chris (47:41):
And then what is that kid learning? He's learning to like be that. You know what I mean? Rather than, if I'm telling my kid that he's doing something wrong all day long, he's going to internalize that in some way and feel like that image of God, he's not going to connect to that as well. If I'm made in the image of God, but I'm doing the wrong thing all day, like what does that say and how does that add up? So I'm interested to dive deeper into that and just see what happens.
Tim (48:09):
Well you got a week.
Chris (48:10):
I got a week.
Tim (48:12):
You got to a week.
Chris (48:12):
Let's see how well we do.
Tim (48:13):
You better nail this.
Chris (48:13):
Better nail this.
Tim (48:15):
Do you have any other thoughts Moe?
Emmoe (48:16):
Yeah. I'm just curious to see what the exchange looks like, because we don't have an infinite backpack per se, spiritually. There has to be an exchange, right, of the worry. And I don't know if I'll be excited to exchange it or it's like, "I'm so comfortable in it, maybe not. That's just part of my identity". So, I'm just curious to see what happens when I take those moments to fully pick up something different than I'm used to.
Tim (48:48):
So that's why it's called an experiment. And isn't something that we already have figured out. And I love that we're going to do this this week and see what we can learn. And if nothing else on the other side of this, we will learn something more about God and ourselves.
Chris (49:04):
Yep.
Emmoe (49:04):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Tim (49:05):
So let's practice that this week.
Tim (49:06):
So if you are falling along with us, would you practice this with us. And the idea is we're going to practice picking up praise instead... And so just like we pick up tools for our day or tools for whatever, we're actually going to pick up praise. So that's ultimately praising God, which is the definition I just wrote down, "Praising God all day long through affirming his goodness, his power, and his nearness".
Chris (49:32):
Hmm.
Tim (49:33):
So what would that look like this week to affirm his goodness, his power, and his nearness in the midst of our chaos and in the mundane.
Tim (49:42):
So this week let's pick up praise instead of picking up worry and fear and anxiety and just see how it goes. I mean it might totally backfire. And we might learn some other stuff that's like, "No, that's not even the point. There's something even before picking up praise", what we learn.
Chris (49:57):
Yeah.
Emmoe (49:57):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Tim (49:58):
So let's just try it. So try it with us this week.
Tim (50:01):
Thank you, Chris.
Chris (50:01):
You're welcome.
Tim (50:02):
Thank you, Moe.
Emmoe (50:02):
It was a blast.
Tim (50:04):
Thank you so much for listening all the way through. Hopefully this is going to be really helpful in this next week and we look forward to hearing from you actually on all the socials. So if you want to go to 10000minutes.com you can make comments there, you can make comments on the Facebooks, on the Instagrams, all those places. And also would you please like, subscribe, and rate this podcast? That would be so helpful for us.
Tim (50:26):
And again, if you want to get the free text messages, just send me a text at the number 5-5-6-7-8, and then type in the word 10K. 1-0-K to the number 5-5-6-7-8. All right guys, we'll catch up with you next week. [Silence 00:50:38].